This is a perfect example of how Scoence is wrong.

i'm on to it numnuts, its a long post.

Why experiment, when any person can travel around the world themselves, in person, and prove to themselves that we live on a globe?

Anyway, to save you the trouble of these odd "experiments", you ignored another simple question. You have told me there's a Great ice Wall around the flat earth and none shall pass. I have asked you to explain the following numerous stations run by numerous countries in, er, Antarctica. Including one at the non-existent South Pole. Are you saying that every single person, country and organisation that staff these bases are all liars?

It's an oblate spheroid

Flattened at the poles with bulges around the equator

I suppose a woooosh! Is out of order then?

Complotely

Stan the man, answer me these questions and I will believe!!!!

1. Why do ships appear gradually over the horizon as though coming over a hill?
2. Why hasnt the earth collpased in on itself due to gravity?
3. What would happen if we walked due east? Would we fall off the earth.

Nows your chance to prove once and for all, the earth isnt a sphere.

I await your response with baited breath

Regards

Non believer

Jesus wept! Am I talking to a brick wall here or something? At what point will the penny finally drop with some of you people?

We're enjoying ourselves, what's the problem?
Better any debate however cyclic or pointless rather than a desert or than some useless chat thread or some useless thread devoted to 'smart' folk from over the pond who want to sell books on supposition.
Merry Christmas by the way .....

It's the lack of Emoticons. That's the issue with everything.

Emoticons were in broad use before the World Wide Web was invented (indeed, they date back to the very beginnings of the Internet - before it was even known as the "Internet"icon_wink.gif. They've been part of this board's software since it began.

Moaning about their use in a forum such as this is like going into a Chinese restaurant and complaining about chopsticks.

I totally agree, so i'll provide 20 Scientific experiments that'll prove the Earth is NOT a spinning ball. [url=https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=scientific+methodThe Scientific method[/url

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDSM_ohW-hYBedford Level Experiment video[/url

The Bedford Level [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experimentExperiment[/url

[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/Samuel Birley Rowbotham[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za06.htmExperiment 1.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za07.htmExperiment 2.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za08.htmExperiment 3.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za09.htmExperiment 4.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za10.htmExperiment 5.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za11.htmExperiment 6.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za12.htmExperiment 7.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za13.htmExperiment 8.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za14.htmExperiment 9.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za15.htmExperiment 10.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za16.htmExperiment 11.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za17.htmExperiment 12.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za18.htmExperiment 13.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za19.htmExperiment 14.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za20.htmExperiment 15.[/url
[url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za21.htmExperiment 16 - 20 No Axial Rotation[/url



Thanks very much for your honest contribution to proving the spinning ball Myth. There's a plethora of Scientific evidence like you said facts are facts doesn't matter who refutes them Case Closed.





Oblate spheroid make your mind up, Nasa's FAKE blue marble doesn't show a spheroid






Question one is pure indoctrinated bull Here's the evidence all sides of the ship are completely level at the vanishing point [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCx5ob04ZYRed Boat Video[/url

Question two Gravity is just a complicated theory. Please tell me how this magic dust velcro's the vast weight of water to a spinning ball and the slightest butterfly flies without any problems. Density is what we experience. Ever herd the term Larger they are the harder they fall .Density is what we experience

Question three. Weare surrounded by Ice, yes a great big 200 metre ice wall not my words but Admiral Byrds. I suggest you look up Admiral Byrd in fact i'll leave a link [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKvWWY03IAwBYRD WALL[/url
Also look up [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_HighjumpOperation Highjump[/url. The Antarctic treaty was formed after this military operation. They sure found something that was massive enough to BAN all human activity and for a treaty to be signed with threats of heavy prison sentences for breaching the Antarctic waters. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8skhK2tMpjkSee Here[/url

Lebron welcome to my world.

Is the Ice Wall manned by the Night's Watch?

I am concerned, nay worried.
Pardon me if I am misinterpreting the Scoence (sic).
But as I see it, , 'tis the great ice wall that is stopping the oceans from draining away.
Now, what with climate change, this great ice wall is in danger of melting ... and contrary to stupid popular Scoentific (sic) belief, sea levels won't rise, but will fall alarmingly.
I am not sure that there will be water coming out of my tap any more.
Dear Stanley please allay my fears. Tell me the great ice wall will hold.

I watched that video you linked to about the 200m 'Ice Wall'.

Byrd says there's an unexplored region beyond the South pole, he estimates to be the size of the USA. "The other side of the South Pole from America". This was what, the late 50's, so obviously it won't have all been explored, and most explorers would have come via the Western Hemisphere.

No mention of an Ice Wall.
No mention that we're on some disk or within a dome.
(Feel free to pinpoint the exact moment you reckon Byrd said there was an Ice Wall)

Just basically an explorer saying that there's a huge expanse of land, rich in resources that a lot of countries are of course interested in. But, we all knew that.

Stanley proves my point with regards to having a framework that can test an idea. True scientific method is trying to disprove your idea over and over again to find the facts. What happens with flat-earthers is that they are comfortable with science as long as it FITS their own ideas. When it doesn't, instead of going back to the drawing board they try to find a way to manipulate, and make excuse for something that clearly shows the opposite of what they want.

The Bedford experiment is a perfect example

A sound and logical experiment that failed to take into account optic refraction and was shown on a number of occasions to in fact prove the earth was a globe. After repeated experiments showed the same thing they somehow managed to convince themselves that everyone else was suffering from a trick of perspective! Some of them seem to think that this experiment is still proof. Of course, everyone else are Jewish Freemasons controlling everything for some mystical reason...

It shows how deeply dishonest flat-earthers need to be.

They think that not including all the variables into an experiment will give you proof, and when they get a result that other people point out is deficient and wrong they either ignore it or try to make spurious claims to justify a bad result.

All they have to do is provide a controlled and repeatable experiment that we can all test. It shouldn't be difficult but they can't because of the cognitive bias they hold. I really don't understand their motivations, and there's a good reason flat-earth ideas were thrown out two thousand years ago.

Exactly, Antarctica is huge they're hiding something around there. They're certainly not putting vast resources of military personnel out their for penguin conservation thats for sure.



I never said Admiral Byrd was a FE'R. Here is an article by A British Naval Explorer Sir James Clark Ross on the Ice Wall.

The figure of 24,900 miles is the diameter of the known world; the area which the light from the sun affects. Along the edge of our local area exists a massive 150 plus foot Ice Wall. The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. The Ice Wall is a massive wall of ice that surrounds Antarctica. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface.

The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a British Naval Officer and polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked

"It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our
future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate
such a mass.

It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest
appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the
intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it
reached southward."

Sir James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops at the Cape of Good Hope and his polar expeditions, he spent the next several years of his life circumnavigating the southern coast vainly in search of a south sea passage to the other side.

Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.

The Ice Wall surrounds 95% of the Antarctic coast. The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.

The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Trans-Antarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometre) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.

Temperatures are thought to approach absolute zero the further one explores outwards. Exploration in this type of pitch black freezing environment is impossible for any man or machine. We live on a vast plane with an unknown diameter and an unknown depth. Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham held that knowing the true dimensions of the earth is something which will forever be unknowable by man.

[url=http://wiki.tfes.org/The_Ice_WallThe Ice Wall[/url

What utter rot! If the Earth was flat, this Ice Wall would surround the known landmasses and oceans - it would not surround anything outside the wall. Whatever was there would contain this round ice enclosure within which would be the flat Earth!

But Stan is completely ignoring the FACT that we have a manned base at the South Pole, and fully detailed maps of Antarctica (even radar based maps of some of what lies beneath Antarctica). He ignores the FACT of the existence of the very numerous scientific bases of many nations, of which i have put up a map, which is also a map of Antarctica - a finite, well mapped continent, not some immensely gigantic unknown expanse beyond some childishly ridiculous "ice wall".

And of course, very early visitors to the Antarctic would indeed be able to encounter vast looking ice walls. It is just that then, nobody knew what it all was, whereas now we know only too well. We map Antarctica, and the ebb and flow of the ice, the collapse of the ice shelves, etc. etc., monitored closely, all the time.

It is bat lunacy of the highest order to pretend none of this exists and Stan specializes in that, but he's outdone himself.

Thanks for all that, I will take a look at it. I think you need to be in a certain frame when you look at this kind of stuff so I'll leave it to after Christmas!

So basically it's like the Truman show were he sailing then he eventually hits a wall

That's what the loonies on here would have you believe.

I'm a ridiculously unfit asthmatic that smokes and drinks too much, but I reckon I could stick on a pair of cramp on's and scale forty six metres of ice (after a few attempts) if I thought it was the end of the Earth.

Again, Flat Stanley, how old is the Earth?

Is it around six thousand years old?

Now, now. You know very well your questions make his head hurt.

Here is something to make Stan's brain explode.

Set off and travel in a straight line for 10,000km.
Very carefully make a 90 degree right turn, then go another 10,000km
Very carefully make another 90 degree right turn, then go another 10,000km

If the Earth was flat, you would have made 3 sides of a square, and would be 10,000 miles away from your starting point.

Meanwhile back on our planet, you would have made a triangle, with 3 right-angled corners, and would be back where you started.

Because you are on a globe. It couldn't work any other way. Like so:



Game. Set. Match.