If you need 100 pieces but are supplied with only 99 you have a problem so regardless of the total supplied it does not meet the demand therefore they put the NHS staff at risk.

You have no idea about my outlook on life
After reading thousands of your opinionated I'm alright Jack posts (your not the worst by some stretch though,) I've more idea about your outlook on life then you on mine.

STILL NO RESPONSE to anyone who pointed out that they are still short of PPE in certain hospitals.

How do you know this?

Single use gowns being reused due to shortage

So what's your solution? You whinge and condemn and criticise and post your smug comments in either wilful or genuine ignorance of the global situation - I'm still not quite sure which.

Bearing in mind the massive ongoing upsurge in global demand from nations and the general public, leading to a global shortage, and the fact many of the main PPE producers were not only in lockdown, they also blocked PPE exports (China, India, South Korea, Japan and others). Put simply - the ENTIRE WORLD suddenly wants PPE by the billion, but suddenly the main producing countries aren't selling it - or have reduced exports massively.

Then take into account the massive upsurge in distribution demand in the UK on a network that simply couldn't cope in terms of volume and pace of demand, even with an existing pandemic stockpile - hence the army and people such as Amazon Logistics coming in to help.

You know one of the reasons gowns are in short supply? Stock was ordered weeks ago, but when it arrived a load had been mislabelled and actually contained masks. To compound this, many of the gowns then failed safety tests. Guess where they came from - yep, China. All ignored by the left, who just blame NHS procurement and the government.

Appeals have already gone out to UK companies to help bridge the shortfall. Further orders have been placed. Everyone is doing their very best but the simple truth is in a global pandemic emergency there are going to be shortages. I'm sorry if you can't handle that unpleasant truth, but there it is.

So what would you have done to secure PPE equipment that NHS procurement and the government haven't done? I'm sure you're full of brilliant ideas...

Oh shut up. 10 days ago I was on here saying the government should have been getting British based clothing companies making PPE and guess what they have now started asking Burberry to do it. I posted that 10 days ago and thought about it weeks ago.

If I thought of it surely the government should have. The reason they didn’t is because they thought herd immunity was the way to go. Then when they realised it would be too unpopular changed tack.

Whether you like the government or not it is clear that at every point they have been behind where they should have been in decision making.

The worst thing is that when you add on to the death rates with announced deaths in hospitals with community deaths and those in care home s there is a good chance we exceed Italy. Now that is shocking as we had at least two weeks notice of what was coming.

Shut up?





I think you're better just ignoring facts as you usually do, rather than reading them and replying "oh shut up".

The concept of herd immunity has nothing to do with the provision of PPE. What a phenomenally stupid suggestion.

Oh we all know you suggested Burberry get involved, you haven't stopped banging on about it like no-one else on the feckin planet had considered it. I hate to burst your bubble but [url=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fashion-brands-coronavirus-masks-gowns-151809088.html[uthey've been doing it for weeks[/u,[/url as have thousands of other companies across the country, and millions across the globe. Why? Because PPE is in short supply across the planet.

A sobering measure from the ONS. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ges/deaths In the week ending 3 April more than 20% of all registered deaths in England and Wales mentioned novel coronavirus (COVID-19). In London it was nearly half of all registered deaths.

A sobering measure from the ONS. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ges/deaths In the week ending 3 April more than 20% of all registered deaths in England and Wales mentioned novel coronavirus (COVID-19). In London it was nearly half of all registered deaths.

[url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52333540BBC 'journalism' at its best[/url

The concept of herd immunity has got everything to do with the lack of government preparation. Which would include not preparing for PPE, respirators and testing.

All of which we heard or still hear on a daily basis were not ready for.

Herd immunity was all about keeping the economy going - the view was lots of people would get mild symptoms and carry on.

As it is we have trashed the economy - happy days

Look I appreciate that you think we are all as stupid as you - but it doesn't take a lot of reading to understand where your sympathies lie - as an employer I have a duty to maintain a position that protects the majority - I cannot be all things to all people

You are making a massive leap that Burberry could have started 10 days ago - which is very unlikely as A) they would have needed to get the material B) they would have needed to rejig the machinery to produce these garments C) they would need to train the staff

This is the problem with you Public sector administrators - incapable of actually thinking through an issue.

Burberry announced on31/3 they were going to draft production of ppe. They went into production the following Tuesday and made their first delivery on good Friday.


How long after c19 was identified as a concern and that government estimates on infection was that they needed to be ready for a major outbreak was that.

No matter what you try to do to deflect from the facts.

The government was caught with its pants down and us still struggling to catch up

Totally agree.

The world was alerted to the problem in China and then a major problem in Italy but, the UK chose to act when cases started occurring here, instead of covering for the problem.
There has to be some sympathy for the scale of this thing and the fact that every nation on the planet is affected and all are looking for the same remedied, in terms of drugs, PPE etc.

However, for me, it's the arrogant attitude of government ministers, telling us that there is no problem and then going on to blame mis use of these items by frontline workers that really irks.

There is absolutely no humility from the Tories whatsoever and as usual, they are looking to move the blame as far from their own front door as possible.

I am not disagreeing with you - but then so have most of the governments across Europe - its what happens when you get a once in a generation public health emergency and you have a load of public servants dealing with it.

I agree about sourcing the material that is harder.

In terms of Rejigging machinery and training the staff. I know someone doing that at the Barbour factory in South Shields . She said that took about half an hour . Following patterns , cutting cloth and changing needles and cotton is what garment makers do every day.

Volunteer sewing groups have been learning how to make scrubs at home with a one hour tutorial off YouTube.

That is the problem with you capitalist types you think workers are stupid and cannot do things without you explaining it. Workers just want to get on and make a difference whilst you spend all your time thinking about profit margins

I think that is a bit harsh - could they have done things differently of course they could have - has this been through lack of effort definitely not. It takes a lot to push the economy back 10 years in a matter of months and I genuinely believe that was what they were trying to avoid. These are big decisions that I doubt any of us would want to have to take.

And for those who think this is just a political debate. It is not this is about people dying. Today the sun and the times hopefully they are right wing enough for some of our posters to accept report that there have been 7500 deaths in care homes. Add that to the announced figures from the government in hospitals and it means we are a about 200 behind italy on total deaths. With the announced death rates following similar trajectory’s As yesterday that means Britain may overtake Italy today in number of deaths. That makes Britain the worst in Europe and second only to the USA. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries The link above gives the best figures I have seen for announced deaths

And for those who think this is just a political debate. It is not this is about people dying. Today the sun and the times hopefully they are right wing enough for some of our posters to accept report that there have been 7500 deaths in care homes. Add that to the announced figures from the government in hospitals and it means we are a about 200 behind italy on total deaths. With the announced death rates following similar trajectory’s As yesterday that means Britain may overtake Italy today in number of deaths. That makes Britain the worst in Europe and second only to the USA. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries The link above gives the best figures I have seen for announced deaths

Nobody thinks employees are stupid you wouldn't employ them - if you did your firm would be worse for it - unlike the public sector the only way you can keep these people in jobs is to ensure your revenues exceed your costs i.e. profits - sadly a misunderstood concept from you public sector administrators - that is what its like at the sharp end.

Quote ="Durham Giant"And for those who think this is just a political debate. It is not this is about people dying. Today the sun and the times hopefully they are right wing enough for some of our posters to accept report that there have been 7500 deaths in care homes. Add that to the announced figures from the government in hospitals and it means we are a about 200 behind italy on total deaths. With the announced death rates following similar trajectory’s As yesterday that means Britain may overtake Italy today in number of deaths. That makes Britain the worst in Europe and second only to the USA. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries The link above gives the best figures I have seen for announced deaths'" Weren't the rest of Europe only reporting hospital deaths?

Quote ="Durham Giant"And for those who think this is just a political debate. It is not this is about people dying. Today the sun and the times hopefully they are right wing enough for some of our posters to accept report that there have been 7500 deaths in care homes. Add that to the announced figures from the government in hospitals and it means we are a about 200 behind italy on total deaths. With the announced death rates following similar trajectory’s As yesterday that means Britain may overtake Italy today in number of deaths. That makes Britain the worst in Europe and second only to the USA. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries The link above gives the best figures I have seen for announced deaths'" Weren't the rest of Europe only reporting hospital deaths?

No as I understand it it was all deaths from C19.

Really. Barbour making ppe is surely more about the government buying that stuff and then paying for it through taxes. Is that not how the nhs is funded.

This is not about making something and selling it on the open market it is about National need.


It keeps nhs staff alive, it keeps Carers alive, it keeps old people alive, it keeps patients alive.


That is a financial responsibility the tax payer should burden.

Are you condoning, inadequate provision of ESSENTIAL clothing (PPE) to SAVE MONEY - I think that you have lost the plot AGAIN

It's all about the money, money, money with Sal, you should know by now. He's become a regularly poster of deaths versus spend trade-offs. It wasn't long ago he was justifying violence and deaths in Northern Ireland as a trade-off for there being no Irish border after Brexit.