Not a chance, not from the likes of you. Compared to the heavyweights on here (almost all of whom sadly no longer post) you're flapping around blindly in flyweight. Normally I don't particularly notice you (your obsession with me is cute,by the way) but your infantile glee over getting your end away and breaking the law deserves some reaction, if only for the fact you don't seem to care you're contributing to this pandemic and the length of time we all have to stay in lockdown.

Not sure why I'm bothering, big words don't compute, do they.

Keep killing people.

I wasn't replying to that post for any other reason than I expected a more considered response. Perhaps I was wrong to do so.

Ok, so you find those facts and numbers and huge caveats 'obvious' but you still ignore them and rant as though they don't make a difference. They do, they make a big difference. There are a couple of points in there - the large decrease in March of deaths from coronary heart disease being one, the advice to doctors recording deaths being another - that cast enormous doubt on the accuracy of the numbers here. And more facts that demonstrate very clearly why you cannot compare international numbers. And you ignore all of it.

We've been over PPE a million times. Yes, some errors by NHS and HMG but a devastating global perspective to be considered. Testing - do you accept CV19 tests didn't widely exist only a few months ago? That even now there are huge question marks over the accuracy of most of the tests? That millions of tests have been rejected and continue to be rejected all over Europe? Yes, we should have done more testing much earlier - but tell me, where were we supposed to get millions of accurate tests at the drop of a hat in February and the infrastructure to implement testing nationally? I don't disagree with these failures but I disagree there's some form of mass fraud going on - that's where you go into blind rant mode. If you watched the briefing today (do you even bother?) you'd have to agree our policy is clearly being led by SAGE. This isn't Boris and Cummings taking a stab in the dark. Though whether the science turns out to be flawed, we'll see.

And then you somehow conflate your bluster with Trump. It's all very bizarre.

Good analogy.
It only takes a fly to tantalise a little brown trout.
Sorry to shatter your illusions but your hardly in the King Salmon league.



I don't mind slinging a few half decent words around now and again.
Suppose I could be a bit more like you and just regurgitate your expert spiel that you spew verbatim on here.
Originality certainly isnt your forte, whatever you may think, deffo more a cut & paste man.



You sound more like IR80 every day.
There's only room for one of him on here, thank the Lord.

Not interested.

The only thing you could say of any reasonable interest would be, "I apologise to all the many thousands who've suffered deaths and illnesses in their families during this pandemic, and to those working in the NHS. I was a selfish xxxx, I have no excuse but I am truly sorry for my contribution in spreading this virus."

Until then - keep on killing people.

Get some sleep mate, and I just might let you come ballroom dancing with me tomorrow.
Sweet dreams.

One newspaper wrote “it is a shame that the U.K. and USA are currently being run by their current leaders during a time of emergency”. Why make the announcement Sunday night other than to once again avoid scrutiny and look presidential like his mate Trump. I wonder if it will be Johnson who turns up at Parliament on Monday to allow his plan to be debated or will he pass it onto Raab like he did Thursday in order to walk back the false impression he gave during PMQ’s regarding the lockdown ( or whatever he wants to call it) which probably resulted from him panicking and looking for anything to divert attention from the way the virus is being handled.
It would appear that everyday that passes evidence is discovered refuting their lies regarding the preparation for and handling of the pandemic. It is a shame that many may have died unnecessarily because of the Conservatives failings and I hope after this is all over they are able to confront the government, I know it won’t get their family member back but they deserve to know why the virus was contracted and if it could have been avoided with better PPE for example.

If anyone fancies a read this is. Timeline bout Britain’s response to Covid whilst taking into account the international situation. Includes details of the government instructing hospitals to discharge covid positive patients into care homes. It is absolutely damining if the government and Boris. All quotes are check able https://appeasement.org/

If anyone fancies a read this is. Timeline bout Britain’s response to Covid whilst taking into account the international situation. Includes details of the government instructing hospitals to discharge covid positive patients into care homes. It is absolutely damining if the government and Boris. All quotes are check able https://appeasement.org/

Quote ="Durham Giant"If anyone fancies a read this is. Timeline bout Britain’s response to Covid whilst taking into account the international situation. Includes details of the government instructing hospitals to discharge covid positive patients into care homes. It is absolutely damining if the government and Boris. All quotes are check able https://appeasement.org/'" The Tory apologists will be busy this weekend debunking all that lot. Good job it's a bank holiday weekend and they get three days to do it.

Quote ="Durham Giant"If anyone fancies a read this is. Timeline bout Britain’s response to Covid whilst taking into account the international situation. Includes details of the government instructing hospitals to discharge covid positive patients into care homes. It is absolutely damining if the government and Boris. All quotes are check able https://appeasement.org/'" The Tory apologists will be busy this weekend debunking all that lot. Good job it's a bank holiday weekend and they get three days to do it.

Of course there are huge differences between nations and the way that their population is made up and in particular population density in certain areas and I'm certainly not in denial about that. However, dont you think that by suggesting that you cannot make (any) comparisons between countries, simply lets those with some of the worst figures (The UK) off the hook way too easily.
Yes, there are cases, such as heart disease, that may skew the figures in one direction but, equally and more significantly, there is nothing to explain the HUGE spike in deaths over March and April this year, compared to any of the last 5+ years, which seems to indicate that, despite some deaths being wrongly attributed to Covid19, there are significantly more not being includes in the already huge figure, that perhaps should have been and being one of life's cynics, you then ask who would benefit most from underplaying the numbers. Well, there is only one answer to this question and I'm sure that you too know the answer.
At this point, I return to one of my "favourite" subjects, which is an absolute lack of any trust for the Johnson/Cummings regime.

Policy is being led by sage but, the honesty in translating numbers and the presentation of the "facts" to the public are not. These are being presented by government with a level of "spin" (I dont even know if we should still call it that), something not witnessed in the UK outside of wartime. Propaganda would be a far better word.

Keep watching, because Boris and Cummings aren't going to change, not until they make a fatal error, which will see Cummings, at some point have to depart and hopefully Boris too.

You might think your bowling club is the oracle of public opinion - even GMB this morning had their resident Dr on who confirmed what I said "There is growing pressure from the over 70's who are fit and healthy to be given more freedom" - is he talking rubbish as well? This is not an isolated case it has been on most news this week as the talk of easing lockdown increases. They just want to live a life like the rest of us - go to the supermarket go out for walks etc. Where did I ever mention opening bars/restaurants?

This has got nothing to do with finance this is about quality of life - especially when your lifespan is limited

You seem very unfortunate in your family dying of this virus and all so young?

Excess mortality is the best we can currently compare between countries, imo. https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comm ... omparisons Although I don’t much care for Johnson and have mixed feelings about Cummings, they’re two largely fungible dudes in the greater scheme and while, with hindsight they probably misjudged the benefit-risk early on and some of Johnson’s laid back statements are painful to read now, they were working with a very limited evidence base. The underlying issues, they inherited - albeit from previous Conservative governments. And much of it will be more structural than political. I’d be curious to know the proportion of elderly people living in care homes across other countries vs the UK. The excess mortality there has been massive in the UK.

Excess mortality is the best we can currently compare between countries, imo. https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comm ... omparisons Although I don’t much care for Johnson and have mixed feelings about Cummings, they’re two largely fungible dudes in the greater scheme and while, with hindsight they probably misjudged the benefit-risk early on and some of Johnson’s laid back statements are painful to read now, they were working with a very limited evidence base. The underlying issues, they inherited - albeit from previous Conservative governments. And much of it will be more structural than political. I’d be curious to know the proportion of elderly people living in care homes across other countries vs the UK. The excess mortality there has been massive in the UK.

You said that most older people want to go out etc and are not bothered about dying if that's the consequence.
I'm sure loads of over 70s or even everyone in general want to go out more, we all do.
The issue is about it being safe to do so and how it affects other people not just themselves. Remember flattening the curve, making sure our NHS had enough capacity etc.
Theyve ballsed this up the first time round, each person will have their own perspective on that and tibwhat extent, they cant make it again.

Simeone said to me that all these young uns flouting the rules was a disgrace, and if it was the older ones theyd do what it takes to protect the young. Is that not true?

They can go out, they can take their hourly walk or so, they can go into their back gardens etc. They can go shopping when needed.
As you say they dont have many other places to go unless those places open up, what will that mean?

As for my family members dying, he was 48 (would have been 49 last Wednesday).
My mother and father in laws best friend was about 68/69.
Not sure what point you were trying to make, other than I may be lying?
PS
At the funeral my uncle told me about 2 of his mates that have died in the last 6 days of the virus (I knew them vaguely). They were both 70ish and over, is this ok?
Wonder what they and their relatives would think?

PS did you watch the Bojo superman thing I mentioned?
I watched the I terview also where he carried on shaking hands with people with coronavirus and eveyotng should just "Carry on'.
Wonder how he felt when lying on that bed thinking he may die???

It was a genuine comment - you have been unlucky - stats suggest chances of dying of Covid under 50 is no greater than normal life - I don't know anyone who has died of Covid.

What the old are saying - if general media is correct - they understand the risks - they are not even supposed to go out for a walk or go to the supermarket for 12 weeks - they simply want the opportunity to get out of the house and live as normal a life as the rest of us given we are in lockdown.

I’m not aware that over 70’s are on a 12 week complete stay at home - that’s just for the high risk “shielded” who have had a letter isn’t it

Yes, you're correct

"At the moment, the rules for this group are not different, so they are allowed out to take exercise or can leave their homes to go to work if they cannot work from home, but they are strongly advised to "take particular care""

Well that's not true Is it?
They can go out unless they are "Vulnerable".
So what would they be doing if they could "carry on" or whatever it is you think they want to "carry on" doing?
They wouldn't be able to do anything different than what they're doing now unless all the other age groups start opening things up for them.

39% of deaths 60-79
9% of deaths 40 -59

Not an insignificant amount i would say?
Our own prime minister is what? 54/55 ish and they were making plans for his death werent they?
Remember, this is with a large scale lockdown, what would it have been like without it?
The hospitals around Cheltenham experienced 2 to 3 times more covid traffic 2 weeks after the festival, as did liverpool after the CL game.
That's akin to what would happen if we were to release lockdown too early.

Your original statement IMO implied that the majority of over 70s wanted to go out no matter the risks (and you used your parents as an example).
My 70+ aged uncles and aunties, the Bowlers and plenty more I've spoken to accept that even though they may "want" to go out, it isnt the best thing to do yet.
And unless they let all the 60 plus age group out and keep the under 60s on lockdown then it wont be safe for them. Because the ones who arent dying are still passing it on to those that statistically may.

All sorted.
You can sit on park benches and go back to work if you oil your bicycle chain.

The country has been asking for a plan, they now have it, with conditions.

The Tories love bicycles.

They've ordered a million cycling high visibility vests from Turkey.
One hole to put both arms through.

Although nobody can go back to work because their employers havent been given time to prepare for the "unknown".
There is also a problem now, with the 4 parts of the UK all having slightly different rules for their people, which becomes magnified for anyone living in, say, Wales but, working in England.

There is devolved government, which in may ways is a good thing but, for the Covid19 situation, it may have been helpful to have a UK wide policy ?

I got the impression it was more to do with reducing the cost to the government by those on furlough returning to work even if the businesses are not yet ready.

Once again, the new "plan" seems half baked and not properly thought through, not to mention the different parts of the UK now working at slightly different speeds.
There is no doubt that the nation is haemorrhaging money at a huge rate and that somehow, a way has to be found to unlock the ecconomy but, I'm not sure this is it, although, it's worth noting that a number of countries are already having to tighten their new slightly less stringent rules.
It's one hell of a conundrum.

More employers shut down originally than expected. Hence the change in 'branding' from stay at home to stay alert. Let's get the economy going, whilst keeping people safe. Behaviourally we now understand social distancing, that hasn't changed, let's get it into the workplace.

As for the variation in the 4 countries, just do what they say in the country you live.

The first part "may" be possible for some employers / employees but, definitely not with 12 hours notice ??

The second part is a little odd/impossible with absolutely open borders between England / Scotland and England / Wales

If you live in Wrexham and work in Chester or visa versa, what are you permitted to do ?

Also, in theory, you could drive into Wales to go walking (from Wednesday) but, in Wales itself, you are supposed to stay home ??

These are just a couple of examples

The new "rules" are as clear as mud