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| Quote ="McLaren_Field" a surgeon who works four days a week in one hospital and moonlights for one day a week in another - which one would you go for ?'"
Yep, not to mention that private hospitals generally don't have A&E departments and so don't have emergency doctors or equipment. If anything goes wrong in your surgery you have to be transported to your nearest A&E. |
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| Quote ="Kosh"Just refuse to pay. That's what I did when Warwick Hospital tried to charge me for my treatment following an RTA a few years ago. Eventually they gave up asking.'"
I've done a similar thing though not actually on purpose. I recieved a bill for meds from A&E following my RTA. They wanted 7 quid for a handful of ibuprofen. They chased it for a few months then stopped. Now I work for the same trust lol.
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| Quote ="Him"Yep, not to mention that private hospitals generally don't have A&E departments and so don't have emergency doctors or equipment. If anything goes wrong in your surgery you have to be transported to your nearest A&E.'"
Lets also not forget when things really go tits up ( and I've had experience of this many times) they quickly get you transferred to an NHS ICU.
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... and in today' s news, private providers may be given tax breaks to ' level the playing field'.
But it' s not privatisation, perish the thought, no ... we can' t have the profits of private health providers being subject to tax, can we? I mean,they might not be able to afford to contribute to Tories' election expenses then and that would never do.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/13/private-firms-corporation-tax-nhs-profitsMore news.[/url
Tax breaks for private NHS providers.'"
Not only that, unlike the NHS, the private proividers are not subject to FOI, claiming commercial sensitivity. So basically we'll know feckall about what they're getting up to |
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"... and in today' s news, private providers may be given tax breaks to ' level the playing field'.
But it' s not privatisation, perish the thought, no ... we can' t have the profits of private health providers being subject to tax, can we? I mean,they might not be able to afford to contribute to Tories' election expenses then and that would never do.'"
it's not actually todays news though
Quote Street, who produced a report for the then Labour-run Department of Health in 2008 that looked at the issue and rejected any tax breaks'"
i find this odd, andy burnham is seemingly all over the media decrying the great nhs sell off by the coalition, yet on his watch these nasty, nasty private healthcare companies which kill and maim at will were asking for exactly the same thing despite them having no say whatsoever in the nhs at that point. no siree. it seems the tories main problem is the labour party get there first.
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| Quote ="samwire"it's not actually todays news though
i find this odd, andy burnham is seemingly all over the media decrying the great nhs sell off by the coalition, yet on his watch these nasty, nasty private healthcare companies which kill and maim at will were asking for exactly the same thing despite them having no say whatsoever in the nhs at that point. no siree. it seems the tories main problem is the labour party get there first.
good to see the moral outrage cranked up to 11.'"
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| Quote ="samwire"it's not actually todays news though
i find this odd, andy burnham is seemingly all over the media decrying the great nhs sell off by the coalition, yet on his watch these nasty, nasty private healthcare companies which kill and maim at will were asking for exactly the same thing despite them having no say whatsoever in the nhs at that point. no siree. it seems the tories main problem is the labour party get there first.
good to see the moral outrage cranked up to 11.'"
It's today' s news in the sense that it' s in today' s papers.
Whilst the private providers may have wanted the same under the previous government, they didn't get it ... but now it looks as though they will.
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[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/13/lewisham-hospital-fury-bill-closure?CMP=twt_guThe plan to spend £195m to get £19.5m savings.[/url
Lewisham – being punished by having its maternity and A&E services closed in order to cope with PFI debt at hospitals in an entirely different trust (ie debt not caused by Lewisham).
It's entirely coincidental that Lewisham is a Labour area, and the hospitals being saved by the loss of Lewisham services are in a Tory area.
Entirely coincidental.
Of course.
PS: Of course, as once advised on this forum, 'PFI is a non-issue'.
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Lewisham – being punished by having its maternity and A&E services closed in order to cope with PFI debt at hospitals in an entirely different trust (ie debt not caused by Lewisham).
It's entirely coincidental that Lewisham is a Labour area, and the hospitals being saved by the loss of Lewisham services are in a Tory area.
Entirely coincidental.
Of course.
PS: Of course, as once advised on this forum, 'PFI is a non-issue'.'"
Not only that but if you look at the population it serves the decision is disgraceful. That closure in another town or city would be political suicide. |
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| Quote ="Dally"Not only that but if you look at the population it serves the decision is disgraceful. That closure in another town or city would be political suicide.'"
And even more so when you consider that, because Sidcup A&E was closed in autumn 2010, with patients from that area being channelled to the Queen Elizabeth, there are already four-hour waiting times there, so the closure of Lewisham will simply worsen what is already a far from ideal situation. |
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No not really, just a silly health and safety story that will probably already have been resolved locally by a sensible alternative plan, which the Mail won't bother reporting on.
Having recently spent the whole of one Friday night through to Saturday morning (11pm to 5am) in one of just two of our city's A&E departments I can categorically state with the benefit of my experience that the biggest waste of NHS resources during that particular shift was the inability of the majority of "customers" to control their alcohol intake to the extent that during the busiest period from around 1am to 3am there were more police officers in the waiting area than hospital staff with at least two "customers" being handcuffed and accompanied by at least one officer the whole time - not just a waste of NHS money but a waste of police money too, it would be very interesting to look at policing levels in our city on a Friday night/Saturday morning and see just how many of them are out on the streets and how many are filling the whole of their night shift sitting in A&E, I counted at least a dozen of them in there at 1am and they were still there in numbers when I left at 5am.
Part of that time was spent on the A&E admisssions and observation ward as a kind doctor spotted that we were not drunk and abusive and suggested that we may prefer to wait for our test results there, we sat in a darkened ward with one member of staff looking out for around twenty beds in two bays where most of the "customers" were sleeping off the effects of alcohol - this was the type of ward that the Mail story is about, through the day it would be for temporary admissions while an admission plan is sorted out, by night it becomes a ward for drunks who can't be trusted to be released back into the city.
It was a revelation of a night to me I can tell you.
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No not really, just a silly health and safety story that will probably already have been resolved locally by a sensible alternative plan, which the Mail won't bother reporting on.
Having recently spent the whole of one Friday night through to Saturday morning (11pm to 5am) in one of just two of our city's A&E departments I can categorically state with the benefit of my experience that the biggest waste of NHS resources during that particular shift was the inability of the majority of "customers" to control their alcohol intake to the extent that during the busiest period from around 1am to 3am there were more police officers in the waiting area than hospital staff with at least two "customers" being handcuffed and accompanied by at least one officer the whole time - not just a waste of NHS money but a waste of police money too, it would be very interesting to look at policing levels in our city on a Friday night/Saturday morning and see just how many of them are out on the streets and how many are filling the whole of their night shift sitting in A&E, I counted at least a dozen of them in there at 1am and they were still there in numbers when I left at 5am.
Part of that time was spent on the A&E admisssions and observation ward as a kind doctor spotted that we were not drunk and abusive and suggested that we may prefer to wait for our test results there, we sat in a darkened ward with one member of staff looking out for around twenty beds in two bays where most of the "customers" were sleeping off the effects of alcohol - this was the type of ward that the Mail story is about, through the day it would be for temporary admissions while an admission plan is sorted out, by night it becomes a ward for drunks who can't be trusted to be released back into the city.
It was a revelation of a night to me I can tell you.
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I used to share a house with a radiographer, her view was the same as yours, at least in nightshift X Ray. |
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Drunks.
Drug addicts.
Kids having taken so called "legal highs"
Victims on drunken violence.
In certain areas, non-native Brits (largely) who wish to see a doctor but want to circumvent the GP system.
These clog up all A&E's especially Fridays and Saturdays. Something needs doing about the scale of the problem. One or two, yes but wholseale, no.
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| Quote ="Dally"Drunks.
Drug addicts.
Kids having taken so called "legal highs"
Victims on drunken violence.
In certain areas, non-native Brits (largely) who wish to see a doctor but want to circumvent the GP system.
These clog up all A&E's especially Fridays and Saturdays. Something needs doing about the scale of the problem. One or two, yes but wholseale, no.'"
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| Quote ="Dally"A guest appearance from a someone who likes to select words and put them together out of context!
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| Quote ="Standee"nope, exposes you as a bigot and a racist, not that any exposure was needed, there's years of evidence.'"
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"It's today' s news in the sense that it' s in today' s papers.
Whilst the private providers may have wanted the same under the previous government, they didn't get it ... but now it looks as though they will.
That is a) why it's news and b) why your claim that Labour got there first is disingenuous rubbish.'"
or not. sorry, you must have missed this while you were busy frothing at the mouth.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/15/nhs-regulator-tax-exemptions-health[/url |
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| Quote ="samwire"Quote ="El Barbudo"It's today' s news in the sense that it' s in today' s papers.
Whilst the private providers may have wanted the same under the previous government, they didn't get it ... but now it looks as though they will.
That is a) why it's news and b) why your claim that Labour got there first is disingenuous rubbish.'"
or not. sorry, you must have missed this while you were busy frothing at the mouth.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/15/nhs-regulator-tax-exemptions-health[/url'"
That is good news, pleased to see that.
Dated the day after my post about "today' s news" ... naughty !
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I think I took the same inference.
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