You could see Harry Enfield's 'Loadsamoney' character and Al Murray's pub landlord in exactly the same way.

The other end of the question is that conversely, being a racist doesn't mean you can't write funny comedy. As a prime example, Bernard Manning famously said (on live TV):
""They say you are what you eat. I 'm a c#nt."

Strange, I remember that line being Chubby Brown's not Bernard Manning's. But there you go.

They probably, and very appropriately, shared it!

We are getting so precious that soon nobody will be able to say anything without someone suggesting there are racist overtones. For me this is a complete non-story - i am not offended in slightest and I bet deep down neither are 99% of the population. So what if she has a view about white people who really cares? - pity society is so politically correct it is so dull. You cannot cleanse a society by simply banning all discussion it will breed serious hatred. That is what I mean about Love they Neighbour nothing wrong with healthy banter without malice.

So, the bearded one was wrong in his assessment? I thought as much

Reminds me of a story I heard on the train a while ago... An Asian gentleman was asked by his son “what does democracy mean Dad?” and he replied “well son it is where the white people go out to work to pay for our house, food, education and healthcare. It means we don’t have to do anything” The little lad replied “don’t the white people get angry and get a bit upset about that?” “Yes son” he said “that is what’s known as racism”



Oooops sorry wrong thread, this should have been on the Wakefield board.

You mean it would become funny for some reason on the Wakey board

If you find that offensive you really have a problem - good job those Somalian girls didn't get hold of you!!

I doubt he found it offensive, simply unfunny

Have they made the T-shirts yet?

That's because the character was based on the views that were strongly held by alot of people. The SitComs were all about liberals defusing tensions and brainwashing the masses into thinking that such thinking was idiotic - which is a bit odd as when the Alf's of this world were young we had an Empire and such thinking was absolutely mainstream, elitist thinking.

I find it daft that people on here righteously foam at the mouth over those old programmes when they probably had the biggest ever influence on defusing racism among the majority of Britons.

I hope not! It turns out the bloke the coppers have got is a Wolloyback from Aintree.

In my own opinion your post contains the absolute truth and the absolute falsehood all wrapped up into two paragraphs.

I would agree almost entirely with your first paragraph other than the comment on "such thinking was idiotic", you appear to be condemning racial equality ?

Your statement in the second para is just true bollax, to suggest that early 1970s sitcoms were driving forces in re-educating the masses that racism was bad is frankly, laughable in itself. Cheap and nasty sitcoms like "Mind your language" simply played on racism for cheap laughs, nothing more.

Racists come in all creeds, colours, and walks of life. Most are very insecure frightened people.

There is a host of difference between inter-racial comment and racism - the problem is the former is too often labelled the latter.

No!

The problem is some people attempt to disguise the latter by claiming they only meant the former

Until recently I worked with a salesman who was from an Asian family, he had a great understanding of the differences between those of an Indian and English descent and put that knowledge to good use in the market place, we could converse in the office freely about the cultural differences between his parents and himself, Indian vs English, without feeling uncomfortable or holding any racial prejudices from either party.

However the "joke" on the previous pages is outright racism, its based on a presupposition that an asian family contribute nothing to the economy but extract everything and the "joke" simply wouldn't work at all if you didn't insert the word "asian" (or some derivative) into the first line - try it with the word "english" or "american" and see if its funny.

That is, if you think it was funny at all, I didn't but as all humour is infinitely subjective I'll accept that some may have found humour in it - the humour is derived from its racial content though.

You beat me too it. TBH, I am not easily offended, things on here are so anonymous its difficult to take it personal.

Take the following joke:
Q: Why are there no {[iinsert racial or ethnic group[/i} in Star Trek?
A: Because they won't work in the future, either.

Is that funny?

Take the following variant - substitute "[iScousers[/i"

Does that make it a difference?

Have we got any Scousers on here? How would they feel about the variant?

If I were a Scouser, then I don't think I would be liable to be any more or any less offended by the joke than if I were one of the relevant ethnic group. Context would be everything, too; I can see myself laughing at the stereotype in the context of a mix of wisecracks at a comedy show, but might take the hump if the joke was directly aimed at me personally, say down the pub.

But it's more complicated than that. The "s" and "coons" jokes and remarks in TV sitcoms of the recent past did NOT grate on the ears of a large slice of the population, yet today almost anyone would find that hard to believe. I'm sure therefore that many "s" and "coons" of the day must have been on the other side of that equation; it surely can't have sounded, on average, anything like as bad, or carried anything like the same level of offence, as those words have come to over the years.

It hasn't been a long time either. So now we see comedians totally avoiding those types of jokes, but still homing in on specific groups - such as Scousers. Humour based around the notion that the Irish are stupid still seems to be acceptable, but is it right, and for how much longer? I wonder whether we have reached the end of the line, or whether any discriminatory humour, not just ethnic or racial, will in due course go the same way, if society's attitudes to discrimination continue to evolve the same way? Thus, for example, jokes at the expense of fat people, ginger people, etc. may eventually go the same way.

We must as usual agree to disagree.

Let's widen this debate a little - do we think the behaviour and legal treatment of the 4 Somalian girls is an acceptable part of a multi cultural society?

NO and I think the Judge was wrong by a very wide margin.

Was it racially motivated? Apparently so

Was the judge's decision acceptable? No

Now we've got that straw man out of the way, care to continue the actual debate?

Re:Ferocious Aardvark

What if the humour is self-deprecating humour and delivered by the same ethnic group it also targets?

Is a Jew telling a Jewish joke bigotry? is a black man telling a black joke racist? if an Irishman tells me a stupid Irishman joke is he racist or if i repeat the same joke am i?

Surely racism is about intent rather than content, my best friend is black if i pop round his house and said 'Wassup my n-g--r (which i wouldn't because I'm personally uncomfortable with the word, but some of our friends do) that's not racist, in fact even if i did say it he wouldn't bat an eyelid. If i then went out and said it to some random black guy I'd expect to receive some hostility and if i said it in a threatening or angry tone I'd be committing a crime.

It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it?

Not necessarily IMO. It's entirely possible for someone to act or speak in a racist way without deciding to do so intentionally, something noticeable particularly in the older generation IMO.

It's also entirely possible for someone to act in a racist way while masking the motivation for their actions - turning someone down for a job on the basis of their race for example can easily be dressed up as a rational decision with no racial undertone to it.