Quote ="wrencat1873"They have a different way of validating their vaccines. Apparently, "we" have taken the data on "trust" but, the Americans will do their own trials before just accepting the date from Pfizer. In fairness, this seems the right thing to do although I'm happy to accept that this stuff is beyond my pay grade '" What they actually said was that they will review the data a little longer - about 10 days. The "trials" have already been done. Data has been shared from the start of work on safety and efficacy for the purpose of speeding up the approvals process. The issue they have is the massive anti-vax movement in the US which dwarfs what we have here. I may have been a bit harsh on Fauci, he was pushed by an over the top Sky reporter bragging about the UK being first. He's got a much tougher (stupider) audience in the US to satisfy. They are totally invested in the Pfizer vaccine and have been for months. https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explain ... index.html

Quote ="wrencat1873"They have a different way of validating their vaccines. Apparently, "we" have taken the data on "trust" but, the Americans will do their own trials before just accepting the date from Pfizer. In fairness, this seems the right thing to do although I'm happy to accept that this stuff is beyond my pay grade '" What they actually said was that they will review the data a little longer - about 10 days. The "trials" have already been done. Data has been shared from the start of work on safety and efficacy for the purpose of speeding up the approvals process. The issue they have is the massive anti-vax movement in the US which dwarfs what we have here. I may have been a bit harsh on Fauci, he was pushed by an over the top Sky reporter bragging about the UK being first. He's got a much tougher (stupider) audience in the US to satisfy. They are totally invested in the Pfizer vaccine and have been for months. https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explain ... index.html

European governments are underwriting vaccine companies for such eventualities.

Rupert Murdoch, health tourist, has got his jab on the NHS just as his top Fox News man, Tucker Carlson, is sowing doubt around the coronavirus vaccines.

What a time to be alive.

Does it work on this new strain?

No reason to think it won't. There are already several strains, 9 I think, the original L strain is pretty much extinct now.

Can't help but think that it's going to take far longer to vaccinate than is being put about by the government. All this "back to some sort of normality by Easter" stuff is very optimistic indeed. We've heard this sort of thing before.

The Oxford/AZ vaccine should be approved very soon - my guess is by end of month. There are huge stocks of this and it's really easy to transport and store, and will be almost immediately ready for mass roll out. Also, you don't have to be somewhere that can deal with massive allergic reactions when they give you it. I strongly suspect that the military have been planning for a mass vaccination program and are being (or have been trained already) to give it.

If I was to guess at the conversations going on between scientists and government they might be along the lines of imposing a severe shutdown (Tier 4) because mass vaccine roll out is very close. It would make sense to take a short term hit on freedoms etc. to cut cases, to mitigate that the vaccine roll out should open things up considerably by Easter.

UK population is currently around 66 million. Even if we vaccinated a million a week it would take 66 weeks to vaccinate everyone.

Anyone know what the total figure was in the first week of vaccinations? About 138k. It would take just over 9 years to vaccinate everyone at that rate. You've got to think they'll get up to some decent speed, but all this talk of it being over by Easter is pie in the sky stuff. Maybe Easter 2023.

Don't we all need two doses - so does that double the time needed?

Two doses are required, about 4 weeks apart, I think. There's no way everyone will be getting them by Easter 2021.

Was there ever any plans for everybody to get vaccine ?
I was under the impression they weren't bothering with under 16s(don't think its even licensed for them),you would also need to remove people that don't want it ?
Sure i read the nine priority groups represent about 25% of population,but these nine groups account for over 90% of the deaths.
So i would think we need to get approx 16m - 17m vaccinated before we can get back to some normality.

Have you tried of the vaccine calculator?

[urlhttps://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk[/url

Next spring for me

Some time between June and September, for me.

I wouldn't take that as gospel. Lots of variables to factor in and I doubt that calculator has done all that.

That would help but even with the army helping out I can't see the beginning of any major improvement in the situation this side of April. Trusts up and down the country are advertising for vaccinators but there aren't the people with the requisite expertise available. The few that have had the Pfizer vacc have only had small amounts. The admin of getting people vaccinated is incredibly laborious too. It's not just a case of jabbing someone in the arm as I'm sure you know. It can take you a couple of hours to do a dozen or so people.

I think the government need to manage expectations better - the PM has over promised since this began and by the summer people will be desperate not to go through all this again.

Nah. Johnson will promise the earth and fail to deliver, again. Tory apologists will blame liberals and lefties for talking the government down and not getting behind even more of Johnson's lies.

Yes, after April I would reckon.

Given there's only 85 people in England and Wales that actually have had an alleged covid infection in week 52, 50 in week 51, (I'm currently checking the governments notifiable diseases documents) why do we need any insanely expensive and invasive drug and all the rest of the BS when it's clear people for the most part are not dying from covid 19 and that the governments numbers are a criminal lie of epic proportions.
And most of the small number of deaths are from their underlying health condition not a virus. Underlying health condition is the only lawful way to codify a death.

Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"Given there's only 85 people in England and Wales that actually have had an alleged covid infection in week 52, 50 in week 51, (I'm currently checking the governments notifiable diseases documents) why do we need any insanely expensive and invasive drug and all the rest of the BS when it's clear people for the most part are not dying from covid 19 and that the governments numbers are a criminal lie of epic proportions. And most of the small number of deaths are from their underlying health condition not a virus. Underlying health condition is the only lawful way to codify a death.'" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55350794

Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"Given there's only 85 people in England and Wales that actually have had an alleged covid infection in week 52, 50 in week 51, (I'm currently checking the governments notifiable diseases documents) why do we need any insanely expensive and invasive drug and all the rest of the BS when it's clear people for the most part are not dying from covid 19 and that the governments numbers are a criminal lie of epic proportions. And most of the small number of deaths are from their underlying health condition not a virus. Underlying health condition is the only lawful way to codify a death.'" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55350794

read and weep. here are actual infections, not cases, as per the .gov website.
I guess tin foil hat wearers like yourself just believe everything the criminal government tell you, I hope you get your poison sooner rather than later then you can just carry on with your pathetic head in the sand life!

Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"read and weep. here are actual infections, not cases, as per the .gov website. I guess tin foil hat wearers like yourself just believe everything the criminal government tell you, I hope you get your poison sooner rather than later then you can just carry on with your pathetic head in the sand life! '" I think you Will find that the information you have quoted details records right at the outbreak of Covid and since then reporting has been amended significantly as it spread and is now recorded differently. See the link below for details https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus ... the-public

Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"read and weep. here are actual infections, not cases, as per the .gov website. I guess tin foil hat wearers like yourself just believe everything the criminal government tell you, I hope you get your poison sooner rather than later then you can just carry on with your pathetic head in the sand life! '" I think you Will find that the information you have quoted details records right at the outbreak of Covid and since then reporting has been amended significantly as it spread and is now recorded differently. See the link below for details https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus ... the-public

Why do I think that Boris is once again winging it with the idea to leave a three month gap between each dose. The manufacturer’s indicated that two doses are required within three weeks.
I hope they know what they are doing because no other country believes this to be true and based on previous form I doubt Boris has a clue.

Are you sure? The header states 'number of cases reported in week 52 of 2020'

Seems to be an anomaly as this is when GPS were advised to report it at the beginning of the year. When it became clear it was a pandemic reporting went through PHE. Rather than through GPS saying someone may have this new virus