I don't believe May & Corbyn are self-serving. I disagree with most of what May believes & stands for. But I think she is doing it for what she thinks are the best reasons, accepting there will be sacrifices along the way. Corbyn, who I am not a huge fan of, has a career of dedication to the causes he passionately believes in, often adopting a position that puts him at odds with current thinking & fashion. They are a world away from the likes of Trump & Johnson.
It is strange how I loathed the time of John Major & Ken Clarke, now I think they talk a lot of sense on some subjects.

I broadly agree - in that in most situations, there are the perceptions of the people involved, coloured by their own prejudice, mindset, beliefs etc - and somewhere in the middle, is the 'truth' - which no one wholly owns; except of course in the case of facts - which in this post-fact world, seem to have been relegated to the same standing as opinions, which is sad and a bit scary. We can all have our own opinions, but we can't have our own facts.



I agree with you in respect of religious texts - it's all man made, and as you say, were early attempts to a) explain a mysterious world in the absence of understanding and b) control and subjugate people.

I don't agree that *all* politicians don't give a fig about us - I happen to think that Corbyn (and Bernie Sanders across the pond) flawed as they are, do care about people, and have a lifetime of political activity to evidence that; in some ways, the hysterical smearing of these people by the establishment, is proof positive that they are on to something - changing the nature of society to remove power and influence, often ill-gotten, from the 1% and into the hands of the many. It can't be any worse than the excesses of late stage capitalism, which continues to create more and more wealth inequality, and strangles the planet beyond repair as mega-corps are encouraged and enabled to frantically sell us more and more shizzle that we don't need, in pursuit of shareholder value.

We were at The Arndale Centre. Good turnout , London on Saturday .

Two for one at Build-a-Bear Workshop, was it?

what a cretin trump is,no wonder the world is in a mess with prats like him in charge.beggars belief who voted for the moron.

So the Trumpster was also a first re-sponder at ground zero.

"I was down there also," the president said to an audience of 60 first responders and their families who had gathered in Washington to witness the signing ceremony. "But I'm not considering myself a first responder," he added. 

He's well known for his bravery. If only he hadn't got magic bone spurs that stay with you for life but in his case magically disappear, he'd have won the Vietnam war on his own.

He has also always thought American wine better than French based on looks alone. He could be a Muslim wine taster.

I do think it is time you were banned, racism now, I thought you better than that.

Apart from Muslims not being a race, can you explain why my post is racist?

Trump on the verge of finding a cure for cancer. The man must be is a genius, he said so himself. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co ... 06446/amp/

Trump on the verge of finding a cure for cancer. The man must be is a genius, he said so himself. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co ... 06446/amp/

Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Trump on the verge of finding a cure for cancer. The man must be is a genius, he said so himself. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co ... 06446/amp/'" His biggest fault is being so shy and humble

Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Trump on the verge of finding a cure for cancer. The man must be is a genius, he said so himself. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co ... 06446/amp/'" His biggest fault is being so shy and humble

Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Trump on the verge of finding a cure for cancer. The man must be is a genius, he said so himself. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co ... 06446/amp/'" Hopefully he will cure himself of the racist rhetoric that incites mass murder.

Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Trump on the verge of finding a cure for cancer. The man must be is a genius, he said so himself. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co ... 06446/amp/'" Hopefully he will cure himself of the racist rhetoric that incites mass murder.

Yes, or the Wild West gun control the USA has, which is no control.

Sadly neither are likely as White Supremacists and the gun nuts the NRA are his core supporters.

The fact that his people are frantically deleting tweets that refer to immigrants as an "invasion" or "infestation" is perhaps the clearest admission of guilt from this administration to date.

There are almost no words for the awfulness of what has now become a regular occurrence in the US; and the intellectual gymnastics required to suggest that easy access to automatic weapons is not the main contributory factor, is excruciating to behold.

Thoughts and prayers my ar$e.

So what the saintly Obama do about gun control then? Same as Trump - naff all.

tigertot wrote:
He has also always thought American wine better than French based on looks alone. He could be a Muslim wine taster.

IR80 what part of tigertots post do you deem as Racist ?

American isn’t a race , French isn’t a race and Muslim isn’t a race . ? ?

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Hmmm.....No doubt there will be those who defend him, but him joking at about a comment about shooting immigrants is a pretty new low...especially after the weekend

Obama tried to get gun control through, republicans blocked it.

So naff all like I said

He was constantly thwarted in his attempts to do so.

Clinton banned automatic weapons though - and gun deaths decreased dramatically; Bush allowed the ban to expire, and colour me surprised, they rocketed again.

It's so ing simple, it beggars belief that it even has to be discussed; were the Republicans not in hock to the NRA and their money, it wouldn't even be a conversation - they would just do it.

Don't get me wrong here. Gun control in the states seems like a no brainer from the outside. You would have thought that the citizens of the USA would be banging on the white House doors insisting on it. But successive administrations have failed - not just trump

I don't get the point? Trump is, somehow, the POTUS, and in the absence of a TARDIS, it seems entirely reasonable to look to him to deal with this issue, rather than whatabouting previous incumbents. Yes?