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| Quote ="kirkstaller"All DNA shows is that we have a common creator.'"
Look, you've really got to do better than this. All your statement does is confirm (not that there was any doubt) that you really don't understand the science. It's a poor way of debating to just stick your fingers in your ears and deny the evidence that every scientist on the planet has accepted.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Look, you've really got to do better than this. All your statement does is confirm (not that there was any doubt) that you really don't understand the science. It's a poor way of debating to just stick your fingers in your ears and deny the evidence that every scientist on the planet has accepted.'"
What you really mean is I'm not convinced by your arguments against God and I'm sticking with Jesus. That must be really frustrating for people like you who have hardened their heart against God
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"All DNA shows is that we have a common creator.'"
I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen
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Quote ="Standee"clearly not al loudly as the voices in your head
I'll give you this, you are persistent, but you are a grade 1 idiot.
link to some evidence
link to some facts
explain why God is benevolent and vengeful at the same time
explain why your God hasn't struck me down, maybe he wants me to maintain the hell on earth of reading the utter garbage people like you spout....what a spiteful w@kr your God is, either way.'"
I'm not sure I can link to my own personal relationship with Jesus I can tell you more about it if you want?
You could also try finding Jesus yourself. I suggest an Alpha course uk-england.alpha.org/ or your local church (make sure it is Bible-based).
God hasn't struck you down because he is giving you the chance to come to him.
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Quote ="Standee"clearly not al loudly as the voices in your head
I'll give you this, you are persistent, but you are a grade 1 idiot.
link to some evidence
link to some facts
explain why God is benevolent and vengeful at the same time
explain why your God hasn't struck me down, maybe he wants me to maintain the hell on earth of reading the utter garbage people like you spout....what a spiteful w@kr your God is, either way.'"
I'm not sure I can link to my own personal relationship with Jesus I can tell you more about it if you want?
You could also try finding Jesus yourself. I suggest an Alpha course uk-england.alpha.org/ or your local church (make sure it is Bible-based).
God hasn't struck you down because he is giving you the chance to come to him.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"What you really mean is I'm not convinced by your arguments against God and I'm sticking with Jesus. '"
No, what I'm saying is that you don't understand the science, or you're choosing to ignore it. You can't just pretend it's not there. Every reputable scientist - even the Christian ones - accept evolution as scientific fact. If you don't accept it, your position is not based on evidence or reason, but blind faith.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Have you heard the parable of the publican and the Pharisee?'"
I have, and it's as much a pile of bo[ill[/iocks as the rest of The Bible.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"No, what I'm saying is that you don't understand the science, or you're choosing to ignore it. You can't just pretend it's not there. Every reputable scientist - even the Christian ones - accept evolution as scientific fact. If you don't accept it, your position is not based on evidence or reason, but blind faith.'"
No true Christian accepts evolution. I'm not invoking the true Scotsman fallacy, it's just a logical contradiction.
I understand the science well enough, I just don't think it is infallible.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I have, and it's as much a pile of bo[ill[/iocks as the rest of The Bible.'"
What do you think that story teaches us?
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"What do you think that story teaches us?'"
Not to take any notice of the bible
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"What do you think that story teaches us?'"
That people will believe any old sh[ii[/it if it appears in their favourite religious text?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"That people will believe any old sh[ii[/it if it appears in their favourite religious text?'"
Guess again.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Guess again.'"
No, thanks. I'll stick with my first answer, as it's the one the evidence best supports.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Guess again.'"
why guess, surely God wants us all to understand, and be living true and virtuous lives, made in his image, you know, the image of a spiteful vengeful old man who sacrificed his son to appease his own wrath?
E V I D E N C E
F A C T S
have any of those?
no, just delusion, and f'w'y in abundance.
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| Yawn.
Why don't you all just have an old fashioned duel or something.
Whoever loses dies. THE END.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Yawn.
Why don't you all just have an old fashioned duel or something.
Whoever loses dies. THE END.'"
Like the dark ages?
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| [url=http://wonkette.com/476114/texas-gop-will-literally-and-nonmetaphorically-ban-critical-thinkingThe GOP in Texas have a plan....[/url
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Yawn.
Why don't you all just have an old fashioned duel or something.
Whoever loses dies. THE END.'"
Ey up, one of the resident right-wing nut-jobs has turned up.
Considering entering the debate at all or just doing your usual flaming again?
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Maybe not scientific evidence, but then again science is concerned with the natural world, not the supernatural.'"
And you're wrong again. Science has frequently investigated the supernatural and found there to be no evidence to support the existence of it in the commonly accepted sense. Ditto the paranormal.
Quote ="kirkstaller"I can just as easily say that everyone who has looked at it critically will arrive at the same conclusion as me.'"
Only if you don't understand what critical analysis actually means.
Quote ="kirkstaller"Other people can corroborate the power of baptism in the Holy Spirit - even people who didn't want to find God.'"
Not objectively or independently. Which is the key point.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"I understand the science well enough'"
As a scientist myself, I can assure you that on the evidence of your posts you don't. At all. In any way.
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| Quote ="Kosh"And you're wrong again. Science has frequently investigated the supernatural and found there to be no evidence to support the existence of it in the commonly accepted sense. Ditto the paranormal.'"
How can science investigate the supernatural? How do you put God in a test tube?
Quote Only if you don't understand what critical analysis actually means.'"
You're saying the same as the other poster. Yours is the only conclusion which is sensible and everyone else's is silly. Why?
Quote Not objectively or independently. Which is the key point.'"
What if those people were Muslims, Jews and even atheists? You can't get much more independent of Christianity than that
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| Quote ="Kosh"As a scientist myself, I can assure you that on the evidence of your posts you don't. At all. In any way.'"
Yes you know everything and I know nothing. Classic argument from authority.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"How can science investigate the supernatural? How do you put God in a test tube?
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Ah, right. So now we establish that you don't understand what supernatural means, either. Sigh.
Quote ="kirkstaller"You're saying the same as the other poster. Yours is the only conclusion which is sensible and everyone else's is silly. Why?'"
Am I? The definition of critical analysis is hardly my personal opinion.
Quote ="kirkstaller"What if those people were Muslims, Jews and even atheists? You can't get much more independent of Christianity than that
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These are all examples of other people of faith, are they not? Hardly an independent viewpoint on a faith system really. If they debunk Christianity it puts their own complex system of fairytales at risk.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Yes you know everything and I know nothing. Classic argument from authority.'"
Comprehension isn't one of your strong suits either, it seems.
I didn't claim to 'know everything'. I do, however, understand how science works. It's even been explained to you on this thread and others by several different people. And yet you continue to post statements that clearly indicate you either don't understand science or are deliberately misrepresenting it.
And BTW I was very careful to make plain that I was making a deduction from the evidence of your posts, not an assumption about you as a person of faith. There are any number of deeply religious people who not only understand science but are actually scientists. Often very good scientists. I reckon they'd be quite embarrassed by some of the stuff you've posted on this thread alone.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Yes you know everything and I know nothing. Classic argument from authority.'"
this from a man who believes in a giant sky pixie
tell us the one about some beardy bloke parting the sea
or maybe the one about feeding 5,000 people with a tin of john west and a couple of slices of warburtons
or my personal favourite, the one where some dude put 2 of each creature on a boat, and none of the predatory creatues ate the prey creatures, we came from Adam and Eve, but God didn't like how it tipped up, so he murdered everyone apart from this Noah bloke and his kids,and they gave rise to all of mankind (you know, even Asian, American, African, Middle Eastern, European variants, we're all from the same stock, yes siree)
you should move to the deep south, you'd be welcome there.
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