What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London?

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Is a non-don someone who isn't in the maffia?

This is a Brexit thread, hence I thought you meant EU immigration.

The strains to the NHS & education are down to chronic under funding, not immigration.

Quote ="Dally"What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London?'" As a group they're net contributors, I'm not sure how I could have said that any simpler. Think about it Dally. Joe Bloggs ( ) from Poland arrives in the UK at 20. He's cost the government £0 in education, he's fit, healthy and ready to work, his cost to the NHS minimal, he gets a job, pays rent and pays tax. Lower paid jobs or not, they put more into the system than they take out of it. www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... er-done-us www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... itish-jobs https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Despite what your Bible the Daily Mail has indoctrinated you to think, these people are not the financial burden that elements of the media want us to think they are.

Quote ="Dally"What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London?'" As a group they're net contributors, I'm not sure how I could have said that any simpler. Think about it Dally. Joe Bloggs ( ) from Poland arrives in the UK at 20. He's cost the government £0 in education, he's fit, healthy and ready to work, his cost to the NHS minimal, he gets a job, pays rent and pays tax. Lower paid jobs or not, they put more into the system than they take out of it. www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... er-done-us www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... itish-jobs https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Despite what your Bible the Daily Mail has indoctrinated you to think, these people are not the financial burden that elements of the media want us to think they are.

Sorry, but some of the comments and posters who frequently blabber outright embarrassing nonsensical ignorance really need to pull their hypnotic heads away from their Television sets.

Why can't people see through this pantomime? It is so blatant that they have pulled numbers out of a hat, for who is to be in the ''remain'' camp and who is to be in the exit camp. Both from the same stable, talk about a controlled opposition. Thing is, people actually talk about this as being a real genuine vote and that's what gets me. Even reading this thread, there are people out there who take this vote as real, it's not them that irritate me but it is the ones that have manipulated them into believing this tripe. I have sympathy for those that can't see it but I also find the ignorance a little frustrating at times. Sometimes I feel like squashing people's faces into the television screen when BBC News is on and scream in their ears, "This isn't real, damn you". But I know I can't, I need to be patient and kind to them, otherwise, I become what I'm attempting to expose.

When they make us remain then we will get more draconian enforcement laws and the taking away of the final freedom of speech rights by the EU.

OR

If the election was genuine, there's no doubt Brexit would annihilate the ''remain'' vote then they will blame a worldwide economic collapse on us and force us into a financial situation that will become so unbearable, that we will beg to be allowed back in and will be allowed back in with no rights whatsoever.

I don't want to be the one that brings the dark cloud over but we're doomed whatever it goes, unfortunately.

Yes we do need to address it - by funding the NHS properly, rather than imposing swingeing cuts to drive it to it's knees, then allowing the private sector to rescue it; which is exactly what Brexit poster boys Johnson and Gove will do, with Farage cheering them on from the fringes.

Immigration, or more accurately the *fear* of immigration, has been cynically used by the Leave campaign to explain away many of the ills of society; like it or not, it's a fact that EU migrants are net [icontributors[/i to the UK economy. They do *not* get special status when it comes to social housing and they can't come here just to claim benefits. Several industries, including the NHS, would collapse without them. I don't disagree that infrastructure needs to keep up - but that's not a reason to leave the EU - it's a reason for the government to properly fund public services, which have been starved of money since the coalition government and remain so today.

I'm not going to say that all people who vote leave are racist or xenophobes but all racists and xenophobes will vote leave.

Indeed.

I find those who are voting for Brexit to be one or more of the following:

Utterly ignorant
Suckers (Sun/Daily Mail/Express readers in particular)
Racists & Xenophobes
People with an ideology of living in a 'little England'
Old people who've never left the town they were born in

I noticed you didn't quote my whole post

At what level do you think it might become a problem ?

Next they'll be telling us the Earth is flat ...

Hi Stanley

lol

Think what you like, i couldn't give a jot for most of the silly arguments of the brexit camp, i know the EU is anti democratic. The system stinks and i don't want to be part of that.
Besides if we do vote out it will see a ripple effect through Europe, all the empty threats will see this gigantic sham crumble.

I love free movement, i love quite a lot that Europe has done for us but when I'm not happy, there is nothing i can do about it...NOTHING.

We have 2 options, in or out, that's it, so if that is all i have then i vote out.
Ideally i wish there was an option 'complete reform and accountability IN' but it won't happen and so unfortunately i am out.

What exactly is it you're not happy about? I'm sure as hell not happy with virtually anything the current UK government is doing but there's nothing I can do about it, I live in a staunch Labour constituency meaning my vote is pretty much redundant in the grand scheme of things. Plus over half of this country's legislative officials (House of Lords) are entirely unelected and unaccountable and they are paid huge amounts of taxpayers money every day just for showing up. The idea that the EU is any more undemocratic than the British government is a total myth IMO.

So because you think our system is crap (i agree btw) then it's ok to stay in an equally defunct system?

Come out of the EU, then we can work on our system, i agree that every vote should count...although if that was the case then UKIP and Conservative would be prominent in the government right now.
The house of lords is also a disgusting institution, and we should be looking to abolishing it outright.

I think Scotland after being given the vote to go independent, should be extended to Wales should they wish to be independent, i think Ireland should be given a vote as to go completely independent, stay in the UK or join Ireland.

I believe in small government btw, always have.

Sorry you asked what I wasn't happy about, I'm not happy that if the political discourse changes in the future then i am powerless to change, we as a nation are powerless to change. I'm sorry but even an illusion of democracy is better than the certainty of a dictatorship.

But surely this referendum has shown that we are more than capable of leaving at any time? As a nation we are protected from 'ever closer union' and again, the EU is not our central government. It's a political union. There is not any type of realistic situation where some sort of centralized body would be able to impose themselves over the UK or any other European nation, people in France and Germany wouldn't take it any more than we would. There isn't some malevolent force at work here despite the narrative that the EU is some dark, shadowy empire trying to slyly establish world domination. They have some legislative power in that they set regulations for minimum standards of trading and to ensure fair competition within the single market. Some of these regulations and the method in which they are formulated needs to be reformed, for sure. But the only way we would ever be subject to any type of European dictatorship would be if someone formed an army, took over and invaded the country, and if that was the case then EU membership would be the least of our problems.

Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"As a group they're net contributors, I'm not sure how I could have said that any simpler. Think about it Dally. Joe Bloggs ( ) from Poland arrives in the UK at 20. He's cost the government £0 in education, he's fit, healthy and ready to work, his cost to the NHS minimal, he gets a job, pays rent and pays tax. Lower paid jobs or not, they put more into the system than they take out of it. www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... er-done-us www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... itish-jobs https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Despite what your Bible the Daily Mail has indoctrinated you to think, these people are not the financial burden that elements of the media want us to think they are.'" Think about it. He gets married and has kids. They go to school, his wife has new-natal care, he receives tax credits, child benefit, etc, why is he really different to the 13.8 million families who receive more than they put in?

Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"As a group they're net contributors, I'm not sure how I could have said that any simpler. Think about it Dally. Joe Bloggs ( ) from Poland arrives in the UK at 20. He's cost the government £0 in education, he's fit, healthy and ready to work, his cost to the NHS minimal, he gets a job, pays rent and pays tax. Lower paid jobs or not, they put more into the system than they take out of it. www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... er-done-us www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... itish-jobs https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Despite what your Bible the Daily Mail has indoctrinated you to think, these people are not the financial burden that elements of the media want us to think they are.'" Think about it. He gets married and has kids. They go to school, his wife has new-natal care, he receives tax credits, child benefit, etc, why is he really different to the 13.8 million families who receive more than they put in?

An Apple auto correct.

My thoughts as well , shut it down and start again and yes let's get it right this time , but that isn't an option

Already murmurs that if we pull out France could quite easily be voting themselves in a few years

Why won't the England players be voting in the referendum?

Cos none of them know how to put a cross in the box

Not read the whole thread but if you haven't please check out John Oliver's piece on Brexit! Real talk!