Bull. It is exactly the same as the Orlando shooting. Someone not directly affiliated with a group or ideology but influenced by its rhetoric.
By hate-filled cr&p such as this:

Don't pretend that Starbug doesn't eat that type of stuff up, the man is definitely a UKIP voter.

Are you the blokes paperboy ?

Never actually seen any of those headlines , then again , never bought a Daily Express , or Mail for that matter , don't think I've bought a newspaper for 15 years

Have seen 1st hand the effects of immigration on the NHS though , and on local streets at 2 am in the morning

As I said we don't know his reasons for sure , so I'll wait till more information is made public before drawing conclusions

You're free to do the opposite

UKIP didn't exist the last time I voted

last time I read a Daily Mail was at my Grandads in the 70s when I followed the adventures of Fred Bassett

Just realised I have read a Daily Mail recently , well part of it that was handed to me at my in laws when discussing the the referendum during a visit

The quote was from the 11th of June

Surely what happened in Birstall is terrorism?

A heinous act carried out in the name of some sort of ideology/political agenda, as it appears it was, is surely an act of terror?

Was he Muslim?

If you answered no...then not a terrorist

Sincerely

All Western Media outlets.

So have I - 50,000 of them work in it; and another 40odd thousand in the social care sector, looking after your nana when she's lost her faculties.

And for what it's worth - the parlous state of the NHS is not due to immigration; it's caused by years of ideological austerity imposed by the Tories. And fat people.

Exactly.

The argument that immigrants are crippling our public services is one of the most ignorant I've seen in this whole debate.

EU Migrants as a group are also net contributors to the system (they bring more in through taxation than they cost in public services). Educated elsewhere, young, fit & healthy, working and paying tax.

I wouldn't dream of disputing any of what you've posted , but as I said , I've seen 1 st hand the strain immigration has placed on both the NHS and Education , I do feel we need to address it because if we don't it will become a problem IMO

You might well feel differently , but I would ask a simple question , at what level do you feel it might become an issue ?

I haven't stated just EU immigration , and I'm sure there are many who do contribute , and many who don't

What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London?

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Is a non-don someone who isn't in the maffia?

This is a Brexit thread, hence I thought you meant EU immigration.

The strains to the NHS & education are down to chronic under funding, not immigration.

Quote ="Dally"What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London?'" As a group they're net contributors, I'm not sure how I could have said that any simpler. Think about it Dally. Joe Bloggs ( ) from Poland arrives in the UK at 20. He's cost the government £0 in education, he's fit, healthy and ready to work, his cost to the NHS minimal, he gets a job, pays rent and pays tax. Lower paid jobs or not, they put more into the system than they take out of it. www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... er-done-us www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... itish-jobs https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Despite what your Bible the Daily Mail has indoctrinated you to think, these people are not the financial burden that elements of the media want us to think they are.

Quote ="Dally"What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London?'" As a group they're net contributors, I'm not sure how I could have said that any simpler. Think about it Dally. Joe Bloggs ( ) from Poland arrives in the UK at 20. He's cost the government £0 in education, he's fit, healthy and ready to work, his cost to the NHS minimal, he gets a job, pays rent and pays tax. Lower paid jobs or not, they put more into the system than they take out of it. www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... er-done-us www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... itish-jobs https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Despite what your Bible the Daily Mail has indoctrinated you to think, these people are not the financial burden that elements of the media want us to think they are.

Sorry, but some of the comments and posters who frequently blabber outright embarrassing nonsensical ignorance really need to pull their hypnotic heads away from their Television sets.

Why can't people see through this pantomime? It is so blatant that they have pulled numbers out of a hat, for who is to be in the ''remain'' camp and who is to be in the exit camp. Both from the same stable, talk about a controlled opposition. Thing is, people actually talk about this as being a real genuine vote and that's what gets me. Even reading this thread, there are people out there who take this vote as real, it's not them that irritate me but it is the ones that have manipulated them into believing this tripe. I have sympathy for those that can't see it but I also find the ignorance a little frustrating at times. Sometimes I feel like squashing people's faces into the television screen when BBC News is on and scream in their ears, "This isn't real, damn you". But I know I can't, I need to be patient and kind to them, otherwise, I become what I'm attempting to expose.

When they make us remain then we will get more draconian enforcement laws and the taking away of the final freedom of speech rights by the EU.

OR

If the election was genuine, there's no doubt Brexit would annihilate the ''remain'' vote then they will blame a worldwide economic collapse on us and force us into a financial situation that will become so unbearable, that we will beg to be allowed back in and will be allowed back in with no rights whatsoever.

I don't want to be the one that brings the dark cloud over but we're doomed whatever it goes, unfortunately.

Yes we do need to address it - by funding the NHS properly, rather than imposing swingeing cuts to drive it to it's knees, then allowing the private sector to rescue it; which is exactly what Brexit poster boys Johnson and Gove will do, with Farage cheering them on from the fringes.

Immigration, or more accurately the *fear* of immigration, has been cynically used by the Leave campaign to explain away many of the ills of society; like it or not, it's a fact that EU migrants are net [icontributors[/i to the UK economy. They do *not* get special status when it comes to social housing and they can't come here just to claim benefits. Several industries, including the NHS, would collapse without them. I don't disagree that infrastructure needs to keep up - but that's not a reason to leave the EU - it's a reason for the government to properly fund public services, which have been starved of money since the coalition government and remain so today.

I'm not going to say that all people who vote leave are racist or xenophobes but all racists and xenophobes will vote leave.

Indeed.

I find those who are voting for Brexit to be one or more of the following:

Utterly ignorant
Suckers (Sun/Daily Mail/Express readers in particular)
Racists & Xenophobes
People with an ideology of living in a 'little England'
Old people who've never left the town they were born in

I noticed you didn't quote my whole post

At what level do you think it might become a problem ?

Next they'll be telling us the Earth is flat ...

Hi Stanley