I guess it would depend on the point you were trying to make



It's a pity that Boris hasn't yet had his inquest into racism within the Tory party though, it might have weeded out some of their racist party members, you know, the ones that tell people born in England to go "home" to Pakistan


And there are still some that deny that there is any kind of issue and that we already have robust laws and a tolerant society.

The country is run predominantly by white, middle aged, middle class men, as is the justice system and while there is absolutely no doubt that things, in genera, are improving, there is certainly plenty of work to be done.

I presume you have taken the knee for your new masters.

Absolutely spot on with your reference to white middle aged middle class men. That’s the point I keep trying to make on this forum. The whole system is rigged against the lower end of the working population. The voting system Is rigged Probably one of the main reasons some of the working class areas in the north have voted Tory. Not certain how that will work out.

Jog on

deary me.

YOU brought up the gender pay gap, not me. As I said, it's a false equivalence to the issue of race equality and it's been shown many times that when you take EVERYTHING into account, the gender pay gap doesn't - in most cases - exist. You didn't answer the question - should Liz Bonnin be paid the same as David Attenborough? Because that's what you're advocating.

You're right, posting a job advert based on gender would be illegal. But it seems posting an [url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36443113apprenticeship based on skin colour[/url isn't.

Blacks want 'equality', yes? So tell me, what challenges face a black lad on a council estate that a white lad doesn't face? Where is the institutional or rife societal racism racism that holds him back? I don't deny racism exists, but does racism remove all his opportunities? Is he denied education? Is he unable to apply for jobs? Is he unable to get out of bed and get on a bus and go to work?

If you're saying the majority of the black community come from poorer backgrounds and therefore the challenges are hard - then the same applies to poor whites. The challenges are largely the same. In a community largely living in poverty, drugs, drink, casual criminality and violence are commonplace. Where peer pressure leads to the wrong path. Where it's not 'lit' to be studying hard and working in McDonalds for petty cash or to be working 9-5. Where your only suit is your weddings/funerals/court suit. Where a life of casual criminality is the norm, hence a much higher rate of police interaction and the possibility of a criminal record. Those are the main factors denying someone career opportunities and a good job, not racism.

So let's ignore the fact BLM want to dismantle the state, the police, the family unit, capitalism and 'patricarchy' (everyone else ignores these things), and let's ignore the fact that in reality the idea that blacks are being slaughtered by the police in the UK is preposterous - what can actually change to make things better for poorer black communities? What do they want? It's easy to sing about 'equality' or 'justice' - what does this mean? Tell me, because I genuinely do not know.

You want less harassment from the police? Don't carry knives or stab people. Don't deal or do drugs. Don't engage in casual criminality. You want a good education? Knuckle down and study and ignore that deadhead mate taking the pss. You want a good job? Work your way up and be better than the people around you, and develop yourself. That's how people 'get on' in life.

In the US about 53% of all murders and 54% of all robbery are committed by black men aged 15-40. That's about 3.5% of the population, hence why young black men interact with the police at far higher rates. I don't know what the comparison is here but it seems to me that certain parts of the BLM 'movement' want to live outside the law without any of the consequences. And they want, erm, 'stuff' handed to them. Probably.

Have you taken a knee yet?

No need to, I just feel sorry for the idiots like you, typing with sore knuckles must be a challenge, good job you have your Sister around to "wipe up the dribbles"...

Do you mean "taken a knee" like Domonic Raab, another really well informed Tory cabinet Minister.

The rest of your post could be taken from the Daily Mail archive.
The same editorial that was calling our NHS staff lazy and anyone on benefits, scroungers.

Let's start with EVERYONE being equal in the eyes of the law and then try and move on from there.
Racism, unfortunately is ingrained accross society and given our country's history, how could it be anything else.

Yes, it's improving but, there is a long, long way to go.

As for racism denying ALL opportunities, of course it doesn't.
However, just as with the example that I threw in about gender equality, it means that some minority groups have to work a damn sight harder and be a damn sight more determined to make it but, you know this.

Very interesting, however the population in England round about that time was tiny compared with today’s population. Migration into the uk in the last 15 years is measured in the millions. Latest reports think at least a million illegal migrants (not registered)are in the country. I don’t suppose they are all working in charity shops

So, no answers. Nothing. More rhetoric, no answers. You're all clamouring for 'equality', 'justice' etc - but what does it look like? Third time of asking.

You call it a Mail editorial, I wouldn't know. But show me anything inaccurate in my post. Anything. Typical of the left, belittle and dismiss the inconvenient truth if it doesn't support the victim narrative.

Tell me, who exactly is unequal in the eyes of the law?

And yes, take a knee just like Dominic Raab, the first person in authority to show a pair of cojones, unlike Labour who capitulated at the first opportunity. You might be surprised to know the majority haven't taken a knee and have no intention of doing. You probably assume that means everyone is racist, and that's part of the problem.

Race relations in the UK have regressed 30 years in the last month. There's far more division now than in decades.

Anyway, another question you didn't answer - have you taken a knee?

I won’t bother going into all your posts as you never seem to respond to any facts. You quote Attenborough and Bonin. Im not sure anyone advocated them being paid the same. But I can safely say that Lineker £1.75 m is not worth 10 x Clare Balding £175 k. Nor is Jeremy. BOwen or Jon Sopel whom I like both off , worth x2 of Carrie Gracie who I also like. That was a gender pay gap which was working for decades.

Was it not the same Dominic Raab who as the Brexit minister did not realise the importance of Dover to our trade.

Perhaps, but illegal immigration and multiculturism are different things.




I think you’ve pretty much answered your own question there. Unless you’re saying that discrimination only becomes an issue when it is absolute and all opportunities are denied.

I like ‘equality’ in inverted commas, and ‘justice’ later on. Obviously, it’d be childish of me to start doing it with another abstract concept, such as ‘sovereignty’, and, equally obviously, that won’t be stopping me. Gammons want ‘sovereignty’, yes? So tell me, what challenges faced a gammon that aren’t there following our departure from the EU? I don’t deny that membership of the EU meant some pooling of ‘sovereignty’ but did it remove all our political, economic and legal independence?



Are you suggesting that all black people carry knives or are involved in drugs and casual criminality, or that only those that are, are harassed by the police? In which case it wouldn’t really be harassment, in fairness. If you’re saying it is a skin colour thing and innocent black people have to expect harassment or discrimination because of what black criminals do, that seems strange to me. I think it’d be unfair, and frankly ridiculous, for me to be judged based on the worst actions of other white people or be racially profiled, for example, as the sort of person who associates political protest with lager.

I think the point Cronus has some validity - if things are going to improve it can't all be due to "white people" changing their behaviour - the "blacks" have to play their part. Perhaps if they provided a stable home environment that might encourage their kids to focus on their education and their ultimate aspirations?