How would it?

Who is offering odds, and how would the bet be settled?

Anyway, consider this.

We now have two sets of independent images of the actual Apollo 11 landing site.

The first is from the LRO. The second is from the Chinese Science academy from their Chang'e 2 mission.



Both (of course) show exactly what should be there, as left by the Apollo 11 mission, is there, unmoved, precisely as per.

So, now your own eyes can SEE the landing site. Are you still off to the bookies?

Lol yea thats looks like a pretty detailed picture of a camera on the surface of the moon oh yes i can clearly see the LRRR aswell, oh and the discarded Cover

20 megapixel quality definitive proof i must say.
Only thing i can make out is supossed to be the LM give over that has being added in after the image using something as sophisticated as paint lol
Did you take the images yourself or are you being TOLD that this is what they are?
No chance those things were photo shopped in no?

Good lord! I'm away for three days and there must be a dozen pages to wade through. I mean, I'm interested in this subject. But I'm not sure I'm THIS interested.

I guess it's what you have to expect when you are dealing with religious beliefs and the bug-eyed zealouts who cling desperately to them.

Anyhow, let's look at those ecstatic Apollo XI astronauts fresh from their trip to the "Moon" - champing at the very bit to regale their experiences.

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BTW, what is Michael Collins TALKING about ("I never saw any stars"icon_wink.gif - did he FORGET that never joined Armstrong & Aldrin in the LEM and stayed in orbit??

Fact is Fact the only way you can definitively prove ANYTHING is to see it in the flesh in person with your own 2 eyes.
Not get told you are looking at it.....

WB Mugwump i have been awaiting some more of your input

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Yes. I did. I took them myself. Because I am the Lunar Reconnaisance Orbiter, but as well as circling the moon taking pictures, I also can communicate on forums!

If you believe that those who are running the LRO programme (look it up if you don't know) have a full staff that will all tolerate such hoax Photoshopping hoax landing sites, then that's a breathtaking leap - why has not a single person involved in the project blown the whiste?

Then, you would also have to believe that the Chinese have Photoshopped their images too!

Do you believe all that?

I mean, "could" both the LRO team, and the Chinese, have photoshopped the images? Of course! I could! ANY image can be photoshopped by anyone! That is completely irrelevant. The question you eed to ask yourself is why would the LRO team do this? And why would the Chinese Chang'e mission scientists also do this?

A bit far-fetched for Occam, but I'll consider your evidence that they did it, if you have any.

You don't have to be rich to be a mason, I have friends who are masons, I have been asked to join several times. I declined.
You could be a mason, but no I don't think you would pass the interview to join NASA.



If they are as smart as you think, they would not have made such noddy mistakes would they?
And they were smart ... they put twelve men on the moon.
What have you managed?


Well you would be wrong again. I am not 'picking arguments'. I am attempting and failing to dispel myths.


Seriously funny!
I believe man went to the moon based on the evidence, evidence that fits with all I know about Science and has been corroborated over the intervening years since 1972 by independent sources.
I don't believe everything I am told either, otherwise why for instance would I be chatting to the likes of you and Stan.
The world governments are not the space administrations and none of them gives a flying fook about you and your kind anyway, never mind trying to deceive you or manipulate you.
Get real!

But if you want to go around thinking folk are out to deceive you and manipulate you, what DO you believe in?
Well, apart from hoaxes that is.

Bingo!

Too many stars on show there Stan, youve made that photo up

He got the Earth the right shape for once though ...

Question - Yuri Gagarin was the Nth Russian launched into space?

What evidence would that be photos and TV feed that you have been TOLD is fact?

I know the world governments dont give a fook about me, you, Stan or anyone for that matter they care about themselves and there own family same as everyone i mean why would anyone care for anyone else other than themselves and there own?

Society in a whole cares about one thing 'MONEY' thats right 'COLD HARD CASH' as that is the only thing worth caring about as it gets you firstly food to live then material possessions that give us all a sense of achievement and well being.
But after you have all the food you can eat, and all the material possessions in the world whats left to gain?
'POWER' and having power over people is the only other thing that will satisfy the human mind after these things all brought about by the super riches of the worlds 'GREED' and that is what i believe

Just remember World starvation could be ended tomorrow but will it? certainly not will it ever certainly wont.
But will the space programs of the world carry on? certainly will, and will the worlds 'GREEDY'
get even 'GREEDIER' most defiantly.

Nope.


I can only speak for myself, of course, but I care deeply for both humanity, wildlife, and the planet. If all you care about is as you say then I pity you, but its your call.


Just for one instance, what "power" have the new images of Pluto given anybody?


What, the space program that you appear to believe has never existed? Well, I'll be darned ...

I never said i didn't believe in the space program?
I just dont believe man has been to the moon. Don't forget the supposed moon landings were in the height of the cold war.....
If Russia decided to come out now and say America never went to the moon here is proof 'AMERICANS ARE LIERS' this would undoubtedly trigger WW3

I mean America (and the uk) did invade Iraq and kill Saddam because he changed the oil prices from dollars to euros.
Also they invaded Libia and killed Gadaffi as he planned to introduce the gold African Dinar as currency and it would have destroyed the dollar? coincidence? i think not......

Pluto has nothing to do with the moon landings and i have been very interested in the Pluto mission fascinating stuff.



EDIT: Sorry forgot to add.... Do you really lose sleep at night over humanity, wildlife and the planet?
Are you a vegetarian?
Do you drive, take a bus or catch a train?

Also to point out i dont believe the Earth is flat.

Well, as an knowledgeable individual, you will be aware of, as well as being told about (lies again?), all the spin-off technologies resulting from the imaginary Apollo space programs and their ilk that have benefitted you.

come again????

You know I often wondered why the USSR and now Russia haven't denounced this hoax.
I always thought that they didn't want to make themselves look silly, out of jealousy and all.
But now I know it would spark WW3, it all makes sense.



And where is this proof by the way?

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According to Pravda on April 12th 2001 - Yuri Gagarin was the TENTH Russian astronaut in space.

Can anyone guess what happened to the previous NINE?

Forget the shadow - what is the source of fill lighting from the rear?

Remember - the astronauts carried no secondary light sources. No reflectors. No gobos etc. etc.

Question: Given that we were successfully bouncing radar/radio waves off the moon in the fifties - why did we suddenly need to place a reflector on the moon to bounce back visible light (supposedly to accurately measure the distance between the earth and the moon using a laser-receiver setup)?

Funny how Dr. Brian Cox never thought about mentioning this fact when he spent an hour explaining why this experiment completely debunks Moon Hoax theories...

Question: Why is exposing turtles to the same level of radiation a lunar astronaut might expect to take during a mission (this invariably crops up in debates about whether astronauts could have survived the intense bombardment of high-energy particles) a TERRIBLE idea?