Quote ="headhunter"No it's not. The guy literally shouted "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when asked his name in court. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005 Pretty despicable the way the right wing Brexiters are desperate to suppress discussion of this. He's just a silly mentally ill crazy guy, right?'" Which obviously tells us he is in a stable state of mind Do you mean in the same way as ALL referendum campaigning has been suspended by both sides ?

Quote ="headhunter"No it's not. The guy literally shouted "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when asked his name in court. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005 Pretty despicable the way the right wing Brexiters are desperate to suppress discussion of this. He's just a silly mentally ill crazy guy, right?'" Which obviously tells us he is in a stable state of mind Do you mean in the same way as ALL referendum campaigning has been suspended by both sides ?

Yes, it tells us he's not in a stable state of mind, it also tells us that something has riled him up and made him feel like he needed to take action. Obviously no sane person would do what he's done, but that doesn't mean that the reasons for it should just be dismissed. He's been fed strong enough rhetoric and tensions have been whipped up so much that it was enough for a person on the edge, as he clearly was, to be pushed over the edge.

And yes, campaigning has (rightly) been suspended which is why accusations of 'political points scoring' are doubly absurd.

So why are you doing it ?

Firstly because I'm not a politician, and secondly because this is a political assassination and I have the freedom of speech to discuss it, which is something that you people are always so quick to bring up whenever it suits your agenda. The fact is that you don't want people to talk about this because you can't deal with the fact that it exposes a section of society that has been cultivated by your ideology. So you're trying to use some misplaced concept of morality to shame people into not talking about it, which is at best hypocritical and at worst cowardly and pathetic.

Just to clarify I'm not saying all Brexiters are murderous psychopaths, just that the Brexit campaign has fueled a murderous psychopath. And if you disagree with that then please tell me why and cut the sh*t.

This wasn't a political assassination , it was a murder by an unstable individual , the reason for which we don't currently know , and may never know

You however are drawing your own conclusions and trying to make political gain from it

I won't comment further , no doubt you will

I will, because you're brazenly trying to deny the truth. The man literally stated his motivation in court. He shouted "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when asked for his name FFS. If you're trying to deny and play down his political motive then you're frankly an idiot and a liar.

Yes it was.

The bloke obviously has major problems, but he didn't murder a random on the street, he targeted an M.P.

And just to put the cherry on the cake, he starts spouting "Death to traitors..."

I just wish the buffoons who have incited this miscreant could join him in his lifelong incarceration.

I won't engage with the bigot anymore.

A moment's thought and you'd reject that; since time immemorial an endless stream of humans have been responsible for countless unspeakable acts. Clearly they all thought differently, but while a small number may be insane, most are, it turns out, just evil scumbags.

Be very, very careful on this subject: as charges have been made, the matter is now sub judice.

I was talking about his specific action within the current society and climate. No doubt there are plenty of people, including some who have posted on this thread, who would be more than capable under the right circumstance. What I'm confused about is where these people come from and if they are actually aware of their own nature or not. Like the guy with the Margaret Thatcher avatar who just got exposed and then for some reason decided to call me a bigot. Is he actually aware of himself, does he realise what he's doing and what he is and just go along with it anyway? Is it some metalogical form of trolling or are they just hopelessly oblivious to the point of delusion? It's all very strange to me.

Doesn't mean he had anything to do with the leave campaign.

They are related in the same way the vast majority of Islamic terrorism in the West isn't perpetrated by card-carrying members of Al-Qaeda/ISIS etc. They are inspired by their rhetoric and view points. In this case the demonisation of immigrants.

No foundation for that assumption , quite possibly he might have had personal experiences that have driven his actions

We don't know

Bull. It is exactly the same as the Orlando shooting. Someone not directly affiliated with a group or ideology but influenced by its rhetoric.
By hate-filled cr&p such as this:

Don't pretend that Starbug doesn't eat that type of stuff up, the man is definitely a UKIP voter.

Are you the blokes paperboy ?

Never actually seen any of those headlines , then again , never bought a Daily Express , or Mail for that matter , don't think I've bought a newspaper for 15 years

Have seen 1st hand the effects of immigration on the NHS though , and on local streets at 2 am in the morning

As I said we don't know his reasons for sure , so I'll wait till more information is made public before drawing conclusions

You're free to do the opposite

UKIP didn't exist the last time I voted

last time I read a Daily Mail was at my Grandads in the 70s when I followed the adventures of Fred Bassett

Just realised I have read a Daily Mail recently , well part of it that was handed to me at my in laws when discussing the the referendum during a visit

The quote was from the 11th of June

Surely what happened in Birstall is terrorism?

A heinous act carried out in the name of some sort of ideology/political agenda, as it appears it was, is surely an act of terror?

Was he Muslim?

If you answered no...then not a terrorist

Sincerely

All Western Media outlets.

So have I - 50,000 of them work in it; and another 40odd thousand in the social care sector, looking after your nana when she's lost her faculties.

And for what it's worth - the parlous state of the NHS is not due to immigration; it's caused by years of ideological austerity imposed by the Tories. And fat people.

Exactly.

The argument that immigrants are crippling our public services is one of the most ignorant I've seen in this whole debate.

EU Migrants as a group are also net contributors to the system (they bring more in through taxation than they cost in public services). Educated elsewhere, young, fit & healthy, working and paying tax.

I wouldn't dream of disputing any of what you've posted , but as I said , I've seen 1 st hand the strain immigration has placed on both the NHS and Education , I do feel we need to address it because if we don't it will become a problem IMO

You might well feel differently , but I would ask a simple question , at what level do you feel it might become an issue ?

I haven't stated just EU immigration , and I'm sure there are many who do contribute , and many who don't