Pathetic isn't it. And this BS about flights has done exactly what it was intended to: take all the negative Johnson stuff off the front page. It's not serious policy, even the people proposing it don't think that. It's just a very expensive way of trying to prolong the Brexit culture war once again as that's the Tories' only playbook now.

If the threat to leave the ECHR is genuine, The Tories really do need to give their heads a shake.

Mind you, "we" left the EU because we couldn't get our own way often enough so, perhaps that's how we roll under Johnson & Co.
Just when you thought we couldn't get any lower down the shaft, they make a threat to move away from the jurisdiction of the ECHR.

Maybe they could have put the flight to Rwanda to good use and put the Tory Cabinet on there

I think it must be the word European which they hope will resonate with those members of the U.K. population. What many don’t realise is this body was set up by his favourite PM Churchill and other leaders making us one of the founding members. The ECHR also defends the rights of the U.K. population so leaving it would weaken our own protections.
I think the only factor being taken into consideration is operation save big dog, regardless of the outcome on the U.K..

I think you may be right.
They are trying to make lots of "noise" on various issues to try and show how "strong" our PM is but, some of the current goings on are a smear on the nation and not befitting any decent world leader, unless he's going for the "dictator" style. Perhaps he spent a little too long in Trump's company ?

I wonder if the irony that Ukraine could take our place in the EU resonates with some on here.

A report produced by an academic and MP’s has confirmed that the reason Brexit is currently not a success is remainers. They are apparently holding the country back and not allowing us to fulfil our true potential. I suppose when one of the MP’s is IDS the report may be considered a little biased.

Now come on who didn’t want to be able to turbo charge their vacuum or buy sparkling wine in a plastic bottle.

I can say first hand that the Conservative leaflets concentrated on Brexit and not much else. I hope that means that some are finally realising that they were lied to and are still to feel any benefits.

If you read the Governor of the Bank of England's recent assessment of UK's prospects of growth, it points quite sharply to the damning effects of Brexit.
Just as the rest of Europe will struggle with energy costs and supply issues, he says that due to leaving the EU and the huge drop in the value of the £, the UK will
have a longer and deeper recession.
No longer is he talking about "if" there will be one but only about it's magnitude.

Add to this the utter lack of strategy form the current government, who are too busy with self preservation and it looks like we may be in for a rough ride and that's before you consider the size of the national debt and rising interest rates which make that debt harder to manage.

Also, it seems like BJ are very appropriate initials for our PM.

Whilst there are lots of examples of areas where brexit is bad for us.
However for the sake of balance I feel that I should mention one of the benefits of brexit.

When you go to Europe on holiday you now have to have your passport stamped on entry and exit. This means that you can have passports full of stamps showing h the he countries you have visited . A nice way of saving memories of travelling .










Assuming that you can afford to travel and get through Dover

Great to see the French have taken back control of the border on behalf of the EU



Brexit, whats not to like

This is exactly what we voted for isn’t it. Control of our borders. Just goes to show how crap we are at doing it.

This made me smile, the perks of being a third country. We knew what we were voting for

The exchange rate is a red herring - the pound vs euro is roughly in line with where it was at the time of exit - it is in fact strengthening. It looks like the Eu is very weak against both the £ and US$

I would agree about the lack of strategy though

If the French don't want the tourists to spend money with them they are going about it the right way

But the GBP/USD rate is the much more important one and that has absolutely tanked since the referendum - and was already lower than it would have been due to the uncertainty leading up to it.

The rate before the results was about €1.31 to the pound but when the results came at it dropped and never returned to anything like this rate since. It is increasing because the Bank of England has indicated that they may increase the interest rate by 0.5% at the next review.

Both the £ and the Euro have dropped significantly against the USD in recent times and based on historical levels, the £ is not doing so great either. Although the £ has gained some ground from a few years ago, when it was worth just over 1 Euro. If you go back 10 years or so, the Pound would buy you 1.45 Euros (compared to just under 1.20 at present.
Versus the dollar, we have gone rom $1.70 down to around $1.20, having never recovered its value since Brexit - granted there have been one or two "rallies" in the value but, this is the main reason for the cost of imports getting more and more expansive, with many commodities being purchased in US dollars.
Since the referendum the Pound and Euro have followed a similar path.
It's the red tape and bureaucracy that have been the worst problem.

The problems at dover show it was the right decision to leave. The french cant be trusted and have proved that by causing this trouble.


As for economy have none of you noticed this covid pandemic it is global idiots. If it was raining you remoanera would blame brexit.

LOL you've not fallen for that line have you

Why do I think you are the reincarnation of a previous idiot who use to frequent the forum because I cannot believe there are two members who are so stupid.

I no what I’m talking about unlike you.

Company I work for import scrap magnesium and magnesium ore and export machined magnesium strip.

Before Brexit we didn’t have no checks when sending to are customers in france and Italy. Now they want all these checks done on the paperwork and inspections. When we bring in scrap form Turkey and Bulgaria by truck we don’t have to do these checks it just comes in. We get the haulier you put it into computer when it arrive and it’s done. They are choosing to do all them checks to teach us a lesson!

The economy is a global issue because of pandemic too. Or do you think only England had covid?

I will assume you are not the usual subject and despite the questionable education I would point out that as part of the ready made deal signed by de Pfeffel it made us a third party country. This is what we wanted therefore all the previous benefits of free movement of goods and people ended. We are now treated as we were requested to be which requires lots of paperwork and passport checks which is exactly the same as the EU require for all countries.
The problem your business is suffering from is not the fault of anyone but de Pfeffel who was only interested in getting Brexit done at any cost and you are now incurring those costs.
What you are getting unsurprisingly confused by is that goods coming into the U.K. are not checked because we don’t have the necessary infrastructure and the government did not want to appear to be blocking imports and making Brexit look bad. This does of course leave the U.K. open to smuggling but eventually it will need to be closed and you will find the same problems both ways.

You almost had me fooled until this post. Nice parody account bro, suspect there are a couple of genuine Quitters who'll believe you're a fellow traveller

It's an interesting point about how much longer the UK can go on with this almost 'open borders' policy. The lunatic minority who have seized power in this country are constantly frothing at the mouth over a handful of people coming across in dingies but don't seem to care about the tens of thousands of uninspected lorries entering the country every day.