Most of Europe have kids back in school - France has had them back for months - they were no better prepared than us.

Yes they do but they don’t have Johnson in charge whose track record is more Trump with his lack of planning.

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However research trumps your suggestions.

The times states that the research shows secondary schools pass it on like adults

Secondary school pupils are likely to transmit coronavirus as easily as adults, according to official research used by ministers to argue that it is safe for all children to return to class next month.
Scientists at Public Health England (PHE) believe that tougher rules are likely to be needed for older children, despite finding that primary pupils do not seem to pass the virus to each other.
Gavin Williamson, the education secretary, said yesterday that a study being conducted by PHE of thousands of pupils who returned to schools in June showed that there was little risk in government plans for all children to be back in the classroom for the new academic year next month.
However, The Times understands that researchers working on the study are unhappy with the way ministers have used the findings, which have not been fully analysed. The preliminary results do suggest that primary schools pose little danger, with only six positive tests out of 9,000 tested so far. These cases were not linked to each other and contact tracing suggested that the children had caught the virus from their parents or other carers outside school.
This morning Edward Argar, the health minister, admitted the PHE research among secondary pupils was “still work in progress”.
He told Sky News: “I think we should be cautious about reading too much into that work in progress, it’s important work but it isn’t complete yet.”
He insisted, however, that plans to reopen schools would continue as planned school children are at risk is if a child brings it into the school from home. Importantly, it does not seem to work the other way around.”

There are no studies as yet that positively identify U16 present a greater risk to teachers? This covers 90+% of school children - let's start with them shall we?

Yes there is as leaked above but the government appear to want to cherry pick those parts that fit their strategy prior to its official publication because they never quote on leaks. It is possible for anyone to say anything is good to do this but always remember it is Johnson in charge and his planning can be somewhat nonexistent.
We are still waiting for the care bill he said he had ready when first elected leader.

Really ??

If the under 16's are so unlikely to pass on the virus, how come granny and gramps weren't allowed to see them or to look after them.
It would have to be a very cruel government that prevented families meeting or helping with childcare if there was so little risk.
And why is it that child care was shut down ?

My granddaughters child care hasn't been shut down neither has the childcare at the hospital where my daughter in law works.

The risk to older people is their own vulnerability - not sure we have many over 70s teachers - I could be wrong?

How many teachers have been infected due to teaching in those schools that were open through the early days of the pandemic?

Just more political posturing from you, Johnson could find a cure himself and you'd have something negative to say.

Ad Hominem.

Johnson is a proven liar and coward.
Unfortunately, he's also incompetent.

Despite this, i was originally prepared to give him and his government the benefit of the doubt but after a decent, albeit, late start, they have since been a shambles.
How anyone expects parents and teachers not to feel apprehensive about the return to school is beyond me.

At least unlike you when I say something like I am leaving the forum I stick to it for longer than you which was about a day. I regret you are a prime example of what this country has become. I thought the greed of Thatcherism was bad but nothing compared to the lies of the current regime which will promise the world and provide nothing which currently results in far too many unnecessary deaths.

Greed of Thatcher? like, people owning their own hom, breaking the callous and hate filled Unions, standing up to Scargill and Kinnock?

Thatcher didn't start illegal wars, sell gold at records lows, cause mass unemployment. Even the poll tax was fair, just the lunatic left didn't want to pay it.

Yet again, you have derailed a thread because of your whippet and flat cap mentality.

Greed of Thatcher? like, people owning their own hom, breaking the callous and hate filled Unions, standing up to Scargill and Kinnock?

Thatcher didn't start illegal wars, sell gold at records lows, cause mass unemployment. Even the poll tax was fair, just the lunatic left didn't want to pay it.

Yet again, you have derailed a thread because of your whippet and flat cap mentality.

Go back to watch until death us do part Alf.

Greed of Thatcher? like, people owning their own home, breaking the callous and hate filled Unions, standing up to Scargill and Kinnock, allowing people to invest in public services, investment in the NHS, demolition of slum tenaments and terraced tenfoots?

Thatcher didn't start illegal wars, sell gold at records lows, cause mass unemployment. Even the poll tax was fair, just the lunatic left didn't want to pay it.

Yet again, you have derailed a thread because of your whippet and flat cap mentality.

Go back to watch until death us do part Alf. Socialism has been proven to fail, we have a government managing a GLOBAL CRISIS and all you can do is spout hate filled politics. I assume you are an ex miner or some such, because nobody in their right mind is quite as bitter as you. Have you ever even been abroad?

You do realise that was a television programme and not real life and bless you think they are handling the pandemic well.
The TV got it correct today when they said Johnson is doing another photo opportunity sporting an hard hat. I wonder if he owns his own PM hard hat on they supply him with one.

Oh yes, I know, but it is also a reflection of you. They are doing their best, but that will never be good enough for you. As I say, a bit of a sad old man stuck in Crapper & Sons Carry on film days.

fed up of the hard of thinking, it seems RLFans has become a home for the elderly and infirm.

To summarise: IR80 and Sal Paradise believe that the Government is totally trustworthy and knows best on how to manage schools through the pandemic. They also believe that most teachers are work shy loony left types intent on collapsing the economy.

I don’t know your age or infirmity but hey this is an equal opportunity forum and these shouldn’t be reasons for you not to continue. I do know that you frequent the twilight zone when it comes to this government ( I thought you would like the TV and Film reference.)
I was asked not to keep insulting you but it is so easy because you have that sort of personality.

They can't see their own paradoxical thinking. They think public sector workers get paid lorry loads of money for doing nothing, but then fail to understand why there is a shortage of teachers, nurses, midwives, etc. If it was such an easy ride, with attractive remuneration, surely everyone would want to be doing it?

Schrödinger's public sector workers. Massive wages and perks for doing nothing, but not enough people doing it.

I see the lunatic left codgers are out in force, must be the heat and lack of air conditioning in the nursing home.

I don't mind half baked insults, afterall, opinions only matter when they come from someone whom you respect!

If teachers are happy to have a legacy of kids with no jobs or prospects, good on them, they must sleep well at night!

I never said that - what I said is until we are all vaccinated the conditions will never be 100% acceptable to the teachers unions - who I believe are the real issue. The teachers' unions have always been quite militant and you have to naive to believe the unions are not seeing this as an opportunity for a power-grab.

Perhaps if everyone had the kids best interest at heart we might move forward - close the pubs/restaurants etc. if that is what is required - children are our future and as such our best investment opportunity.

There was no reason GCE and especially A'level exams couldn't have been sit - empty schools, teachers at home - it was a disgrace and every teacher should be hanging their head in shame that they were a catalyst to facilitate that.

McCarthyism still alive and well in 2020.


If right wing nutters like you and IR80 got a bit more sleep of a night you wouldnt have to be constantly ting yourself about 'power-grabs'.

right wing nutters?

if wanting teachers to work and kids to be educated makes me a nutter, fine, better than ignoring lockdown!

May I suggest that in order to move this forum forward we stop exchanging insults. No more loony left or right wing nutters, just left, right and centre.

With comment's like this, you will attract a response.
Just because you dont agree with someone's opinion, doesn't mean that you should try throw out cheap shots.

For you to reference the opinions of others as codgers, seems to infer that you maybe from the younger generation, with extra time off school.

Perhaps when you have finished your learning you will understand the discussion a little better.

Hope that you got the grades that you wanted this week


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Yea I find the persistent references to people's ages a bit baffling. I can't say that anyone is particularly giving their age away on either side of the spectrum.