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| Quote ="bren2k"
Also interesting that Raab chose to suggest that Johnson will recover from COVID-19 "because he's a fighter." I really don't like that kind of language when related to illness - because it implies that people who die just weren't tough enough.'"
He'll recover if he was in good health prior to contracting the virus and he's lucky.
The intensive care figures are bloody desperate with just over 50% surviving, not so good for the rest.
Although it's fair to assume that as Prime Minister, he will be getting the best possible care, as you rightly say, this thing is totally indiscriminate.
The being "in good spirits" is more likely to be propaganda as, he's unlikely to be getting visitors.
Also, many with Covid 19, in intensive care, if not all, are heavily sedated so, he's not likely to be cracking any jokes.
Something to appease the masses and the markets ?
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| Quote ="bren2k"You do know he's gone now, right? The smear campaign is no longer necessary - you should have been stood down a few days ago.
What I'm finding interesting is every journalist telling me that the virus "does not discriminate," as if it's news; we already know that - it's a virus, not Nigel Farage.
Also interesting that Raab chose to suggest that Johnson will recover from COVID-19 "because he's a fighter." I really don't like that kind of language when related to illness - because it implies that people who die just weren't tough enough.'"
So all the nastiness has gone now, just suddenly disappeared Sat afternoon. Got it, Jezza made them hate the Jews. Now he's gone hes took them and there hatred with him.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"He'll recover if he was in good health prior to contracting the virus and he's lucky.
The intensive care figures are bloody desperate with just over 50% surviving, not so good for the rest.
Although it's fair to assume that as Prime Minister, he will be getting the best possible care, as you rightly say, this thing is totally indiscriminate.
The being "in good spirits" is more likely to be propaganda as, he's unlikely to be getting visitors.
Also, many with Covid 19, in intensive care, if not all, are heavily sedated so, he's not likely to be cracking any jokes.
Something to appease the masses and the markets ?'"
We're not being told the whole truth - but whatever the real situation, you can bet your bottom dollar that all the Dr's and nurses going anywhere near him will magically have all the PPE they need.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"So all the nastiness has gone now, just suddenly disappeared Sat afternoon. Got it, Jezza made them hate the Jews. Now he's gone hes took them and there hatred with him.'"
No - I mean that it didn't exist in the first place in any significant amount; and certainly no more than in any other party. And where it did exist, it certainly wasn't activated by Corbyn.
And what in the name of ar5e does this story have to do with the Jews?
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| Quote ="bren2k"You do know he's gone now, right? The smear campaign is no longer necessary - you should have been stood down a few days ago.
What I'm finding interesting is every journalist telling me that the virus "does not discriminate," as if it's news; we already know that - it's a virus, not Nigel Farage.
Also interesting that Raab chose to suggest that Johnson will recover from COVID-19 "because he's a fighter." I really don't like that kind of language when related to illness - because it implies that people who die just weren't tough enough.'"
It is no shock that the majority of people who die from this virus also have underlying serious conditions - similar to those that die from seasonal flu. I am constantly amazed at the power of the human spirit to battle illness - if you look at cancer patients with a survival goal it is amazing how many can fight off the illness through sheer human will. Tough enough might be a bad way of putting it be no reason to live might be another?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"It is no shock that the majority of people who die from this virus also have underlying serious conditions - similar to those that die from seasonal flu. I am constantly amazed at the power of the human spirit to battle illness - if you look at cancer patients with a survival goal it is amazing how many can fight off the illness through sheer human will. Tough enough might be a bad way of putting it be no reason to live might be another?'"
You can fight off "normal" illness by being reasonably fit, with a healthy lifestyle and yes, a positive attitude can help.
However, you cant beat cancer or coronavirus just by being positive, drugs and decent medical car are what you need (in both cases).
Next off, you'll be advocating the US style church blessings to beat the virus ??
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"You can fight off "normal" illness by being reasonably fit, with a healthy lifestyle and yes, a positive attitude can help.
However, you cant beat cancer or coronavirus just by being positive, drugs and decent medical car are what you need (in both cases).
Next off, you'll be advocating the US style church blessings to beat the virus ??'"
You misunderstand - if you have a will to live you can significantly improve your outcome - look at war victims, cancer sufferers - you are naïve to under estimate the power of positive thinking - I think there many, many examples of its power. If you simply give up your demise will be swift. We only have to look at sport if you believe you can win you have more chance than if you beat before your start. There are many examples of people with the same illness and the impact of mental toughness on the outcome
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You misunderstand - if you have a will to live you can significantly improve your outcome - look at war victims, cancer sufferers - you are naïve to under estimate the power of positive thinking - I think there many, many examples of its power. If you simply give up your demise will be swift. We only have to look at sport if you believe you can win you have more chance than if you beat before your start. There are many examples of people with the same illness and the impact of mental toughness on the outcome'"
There are also (too) many examples of healthy fit and positive young people who have died from cancer and other diseases, who have possessed all of the positivity and will power that you speak of and still ended up in the ground.
I'm sure that their families would be touched by your "wisdom" ??
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| So now we hear that Johnson is sitting up in bed and talking with the staff - that being the case, he isn't actually in ICU in the way that you or I would experience it, and never was; he's on a private floor of an NHS hospital, which I've no doubt is fully staffed and well equipped. After a few more days of ministers making trite comments about his toughness and resilience, he'll emerge having 'beaten' COVID-19, and the new narrative will be about Boris Johnson, the superhuman PM who tackled the virus singlehandedly, whilst still issuing instructions to the cabinet and being saucy with the nurses.
Stops us talking about the criminal lack of testing, failure to procure sufficient PPE, and the massively skewed death rates compared to our European neighbours.
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| Quote ="bren2k"So now we hear that Johnson is sitting up in bed and talking with the staff - that being the case, he isn't actually in ICU in the way that you or I would experience it, and never was; he's on a private floor of an NHS hospital, which I've no doubt is fully staffed and well equipped. After a few more days of ministers making trite comments about his toughness and resilience, he'll emerge having 'beaten' COVID-19, and the new narrative will be about Boris Johnson, the superhuman PM who tackled the virus singlehandedly, whilst still issuing instructions to the cabinet and being saucy with the nurses.
Stops us talking about the criminal lack of testing, failure to procure sufficient PPE, and the massively skewed death rates compared to our European neighbours.'"
All down to his positive mental attitude, apparently
Tbf Bren, he certainly wasn't well but, equally, he either hasn't been in intensive care or we are being played.
Until he comes out we wont know where the truth is, which is a surprise where Johnson is concerned - he's always been so open and honest previously
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"All down to his positive mental attitude, apparently
Tbf Bren, he certainly wasn't well but, equally, he either hasn't been in intensive care or we are being played.
Until he comes out we wont know where the truth is, which is a surprise where Johnson is concerned - he's always been so open and honest previously
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Great to see the huge out pouring of support and concern from the country for our 'get it done' leader.
What does it matter if he's been in a private ward or intensive care. He runs the country and deserves the best. This isn't some communist, we are all equal state.
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| Quote ="bren2k"So now we hear that Johnson is sitting up in bed and talking with the staff - that being the case, he isn't actually in ICU in the way that you or I would experience it, and never was; he's on a private floor of an NHS hospital, which I've no doubt is fully staffed and well equipped. After a few more days of ministers making trite comments about his toughness and resilience, he'll emerge having 'beaten' COVID-19, and the new narrative will be about Boris Johnson, the superhuman PM who tackled the virus singlehandedly, whilst still issuing instructions to the cabinet and being saucy with the nurses.
Stops us talking about the criminal lack of testing, failure to procure sufficient PPE, and the massively skewed death rates compared to our European neighbours.'"
If he's a level 2 patient ie Cpap/Epap or non rebreath which many patients are sat up with this, he won't be on a regular ward he will be on a make shift Covid ICU unit like every hospital is having to do ie using operating theatre or ICU , which also house level 3 patients ie tubed, ventilated or ECMO/ dialysis. We don't know boris's pre existing comorbidities ie high blood pressure, pre diabetic or what ever else. I don't believe anything that comes from the rags or cabinet so don't know what to believe tbh in regards to his actual condition.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"If he's a level 2 patient ie Cpap/Epap or non rebreath which many patients are sat up with this, he won't be on a regular ward he will be on a make shift Covid ICU unit like every hospital is having to do ie using operating theatre or ICU , which also house level 3 patients ie tubed, ventilated or ECMO/ dialysis. We don't know boris's pre existing comorbidities ie high blood pressure, pre diabetic or what ever else. I don't believe anything that comes from the rags or cabinet so don't know what to believe tbh in regards to his actual condition.'"
Looks like you have some knowledge of this scenario, are you from a medical background or even working in the nhs?.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Wow - I would hate to live in your world - it is so depressive and sceptical - you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why you have such a downbeat attitude on everything - I can't remember a positive post of yours. I don't know what has happened in your life but it can't be as bad as you portray?
Look ahead you will be at the top of the food chain when the revolution happens - isn't that the reality of Socialism - the haves and the have nots? I see in Venezuela they are binning the money because it simply has no value - keep that red flag flying its the future
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There should be a new iteration of Godwin's Law, that can be invoked whenever a RW nutjob invokes Venezuela as an argument against socialist policies; and if said RW nutjob has also failed to acknowledge the crippling sanctions imposed on that country, they should go directly to gaol.
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| Quote ="bren2k"There should be a new iteration of Godwin's Law, that can be invoked whenever a RW nutjob invokes Venezuela as an argument against socialist policies; and if said RW nutjob has also failed to acknowledge the crippling sanctions imposed on that country, they should go directly to gaol.'"
Would that also apply to left wing nut jobs who will never accept socialism/communism has been tried and tested throughout the world and failed miserably.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Looks like you have some knowledge of this scenario, are you from a medical background or even working in the nhs?.'"
Yes mate work in NHS within Critical Care
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"Yes mate work in NHS within Critical Care'"
[size=200THANKYOU to you and your colleagues...[/size
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Would that also apply to left wing nut jobs who will never accept socialism/communism has been tried and tested throughout the world and failed miserably.'"
Only if they are advocating that - which I rarely see anyone actually doing.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"Yes mate work in NHS within Critical Care'"
Absolute respect to you and your colleagues, it’s hard enough working in critical care at the best of times without the extra pressure of corvid virus.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"Yes mate work in NHS within Critical Care'"
Hat's off to you and all your colleagues my friend
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I see in Venezuela they are binning the money because it simply has no value'"
Before the Daily Mail, The Sun, et al. found a new interest in Venezuela, how much did you personally know about Venezuela? How much did you talk about it, or mention it in your posts?
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Before the Daily Mail, The Sun, et al. found a new interest in Venezuela, how much did you personally know about Venezuela? How much did you talk about it, or mention it in your posts?'"
The focus on Venezuela came about because Livingston and Corbyn and other left wing acolytes constantly highlighted Venezuela as what could be achieved by socialism.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Great to see the huge out pouring of support and concern from the country for our 'get it done' leader.
What does it matter if he's been in a private ward or intensive care. He runs the country and deserves the best. This isn't some communist, we are all equal state.'"
Keep tugging your forelock. Great will be your leader's reward in heaven.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"The focus on Venezuela came about because Livingston and Corbyn and other left wing acolytes constantly highlighted Venezuela as what could be achieved by socialism.'"
But nobody gave a monkey's about Venezuela before that. They couldn't even point to it on a map. My Tory voting father-in-law thought it was in Europe! Now, there are self-proclaimed experts in Venezuela popping up on every forum and newspaper comments section.
UK Universities should run degrees in Venezuelan studies. The UK would have a full intake ready to enroll. Although it's highly unlikely that any would graduate with anything higher than a third, because "Corbyn wants the UK to be like Venezuela, the Daily Mail said so" would be a pretty poor basis for their dissertations.
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