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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Wow - Mao starved 50m of his own people and between Lenin and Stalin they killed another 50m - these are people with whom you have some sympathy!! The numbers of the hard left dwarf anything ever done in the name of the hard right.'"
Just remind me why the Americans coined the phrase “blue on blue” .
And let’s not forget that the American right have made the mass murder of school children acceptable, merely collateral damage of AK47 butchery.
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| Quote ="Superblue"You didn’t know of IR655 previously'"
Amongst many excellent examples, that is possibly the most stupid thing you've ever said on here.
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| Quote ="Cronus"18? Dreadful, yes. But an accident, in a war zone. Let's remember ISIS killed, tortured and maimed many tens of thousands of innocent civilians, possibly more. And in some utterly horrific ways. For fun, mainly. This isn't whataboutery, this is putting things into perspective.
Perhaps you should find some unfiltered accounts of what ISIS were doing during their heyday. Maybe start with the Yazidis and the explore other accounts of their massacres, what their females endured. And the rest. If every person associated with ISIS was wiped from the face of this planet I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. The world is a better place without them.
Collateral civilian deaths in war are terrible but inevitable. Try the D-Day landings if you want some shocking numbers.'"
That is so, and makes the Napalm, Chemical Weapons, Cluster Bomb, Atomic Bomb etc atrocities of the USA pale into insignificance .
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| Quote ="Superblue"That is so, and makes the Napalm, Chemical Weapons, Cluster Bomb, Atomic Bomb etc atrocities of the USA pale into insignificance .
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| Can we just agree that politicians on all sides, be them far left or far right don't particularly care about the common folk, and generally are more than happy to kill civilians in their droves?
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| Quote ="Cronus"icon_lol.gif Amongst many excellent examples, that is possibly the most stupid thing you've ever said on here.
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You need the buckles on your jacket tightening.'"
Oh the Irony
Two of the dimmest bulbs attempting to illuminate the forum
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| Quote ="Superblue"Oh the Irony
Two of the dimmest bulbs attempting to illuminate the forum
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Haven't you worked out what Flashman and Standee have in common yet?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Haven't you worked out what Flashman and Standee have in common yet?'"
Hmmm
To much of a coincidence for them both to be gay , so I would plumb for them having the same IP address as Jean
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To much of a coincidence for them both to be gay
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 86496.html
Trump threatening the UK with 25% tariffs on cars unless it officially accused Iran of breaking the nuclear deal.
Shows how strong the special relationship is and how the UK, in a vulnerable position on trade with trade barriers about to go up with the EU, is easy to boss around.
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Trump threatening the UK with 25% tariffs on cars unless it officially accused Iran of breaking the nuclear deal.
Shows how strong the special relationship is and how the UK, in a vulnerable position on trade with trade barriers about to go up with the EU, is easy to boss around.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-tariffs-uk-iran-nuclear-deal-france-germany-eu-a9286496.html
Trump threatening the UK with 25% tariffs on cars unless it officially accused Iran of breaking the nuclear deal.
Shows how strong the special relationship is and how the UK, in a vulnerable position on trade with trade barriers about to go up with the EU, is easy to boss around.'"
Says the Indy, quoting Tehran and un named european sources.... yup, must be true.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Perhaps we should just call it quits then, yes?
It's interesting so many are blaming the US for creating an atmosphere of war. What they forget is that in the late 80s during the Iran-Iraq war, Iran was attacking shipping in the Hormuz Straits and had mined the area, almost sinking a US frigate, which led to Operation Praying Mantis and the US decimating Iranian forces in the area. There was a rather more an atmosphere of war in those days - there actually WAS a war, a major war.
You should read the background and details of IR655. While it was a monumental fck-up, it was hardly a snap judgement, trigger-happy moment.
Watching the left has reinforced my opinion of them in the last few days. Whataboutery on an epic level.
Plane goes down: "never an accident, definitely the US."
Questions around suspicious photos: "could be anything and probably planted by the US."
Already geo-located video emerges of the missile strike: "fake, definitely fake, a US fake."
Iran admits shooting it down: "errrm well the US did the same thing 32 years ago so it's still all their fault."
And of course Jeremy Corbyn - friend of Iran as we all know - was still calling it a crash this afternoon.'"
American have killed close to half a million innocent people since they invaded the Middle East.
How many have isis killed?
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| It would also appear we have weakened our position on food quality despite promises to the contrary. It was originally planned to add the protections in the new trade agreement but have now been removed, I wonder why.
We will now see how strong our resolve is without the support of the EU when Boris starts negotiations with his life coach Trump.
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| Johnson has suppressed schoolboy desires of becoming a strongman's fag. Trump is the pinnacle of these desires.
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What is beyond doubt is the swift "falling into line" by Johnson.
A couple of weeks ago, all of the main European leaders, including Johnson, were expressing disappointment that Trump wanted to scrap the previous agreement and now, suddenly, Boris is fully endorsing the change.
We know that he has a habit of changing his mind but, even for Boris, this was a pretty swift U turn.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It would also appear we have weakened our position on food quality despite promises to the contrary. It was originally planned to add the protections in the new trade agreement but have now been removed, I wonder why.
We will now see how strong our resolve is without the support of the EU when Boris starts negotiations with his life coach Trump.'"
"would appear", no actual proof then?
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| Quote ="IR80""would appear", no actual proof then?'"
Ah, so you believe that we are improving standards, ahead of our US trade deal negotiations.
Not only are we making sure that ALL of the doors are unlocked, we are bowing and holding them open.
It's like letting the playground bully have all your spend, just so that he doesn't hurt you.
Please stop, Donald, you've already got everything.
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| It was reported by Tom Newton Dunn who works for the Conservative press that the current food safeguards were not included in the agriculture bill despite promises to the contrary. I guess it is actual proof even for you.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It was reported by Tom Newton Dunn who works for the Conservative press that the current food safeguards were not included in the agriculture bill despite promises to the contrary. I guess it is actual proof even for you.'"
It seems that "we" leave quite a few things out of our trading agreement negotiations these days.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It was reported by Tom Newton Dunn who works for the Conservative press that the current food safeguards were not included in the agriculture bill despite promises to the contrary. I guess it is actual proof even for you.'"
Reported where?
A discredited ax Lib Dem?
Ex Mirror "journalist"
don't bring a tissue to a gun fight.
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| Quote ="IR80"Reported where?
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don't bring a tissue to a gun fight.'"
Much better to bring chlorinated chicken, in fact, just chlorinate chicken Boris and bring him.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Much better to bring chlorinated chicken, in fact, just chlorinate chicken Boris and bring him.'"
Is there an evidence that it is harmful to humans? Will we be forced to eat it?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Is there an evidence that it is harmful to humans? Will we be forced to eat it?'"
Chlorination isn’t harmful, it is the need for it that is the concern. Rates of food poisoning following consumption of chicken are higher in the US (about tenfold iirc).
As long as clear labelling is mandatory, I agree we’re not obliged to eat it.
Be interesting to see whether UK farmers are allowed to adopt the same practices to compete.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Is there an evidence that it is harmful to humans? Will we be forced to eat it?'"
No, and No, as there is no evidence that it will be allowed. the lunatic left making things up. They will deny the holo...oh, hang on.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Will we be forced to eat it?'"
No, but only if you have a choice. You wouldn't know what you were getting eating out.
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