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| Quote ="POSTL"Couldn't agree more, add to that Labour won't allow a deal what ever as it might be as a way of getting a general election. It was said on Politics live today that the only thing Johnson is hoping to renegotiate with the EU is the backstop. So it looks like the status quo will continue.'"
Until the 31st of October.
I don’t think the EU will allow another extension, at least anything more than a very short one to finalise something. So, one way or another, a choice will finally have to be made.
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| The plan will be to allow Europe to let us go without an extension then blame them for all the resulting fallout. That'll be the only way they can spin it if it all goes wrong.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Until the 31st of October.
I don’t think the EU will allow another extension, at least anything more than a very short one to finalise something. So, one way or another, a choice will finally have to be made.'"
I think that you are wrong regarding a short extension, well kind of.
They would almost certainly allow a short technical extension.
However, for anything else they would more likely insist on a couple of years (at least).
No matter which side of the Brexit argument you are aligned to, Mrs May has played a truly shocking hand, which just about prevents any further short extension (other than a "technical" one).
With Boris almost certain to be in the big chair, I expect that he will demand a change to the "backstop" and tell the EU that without a change to this, we will go full steam ahead for a "no deal" on Halloween and right now, with how the country is and despite my personal preference of "remain", I believe that this is the only real option left.
The Tories will all fall into line and with the "help" of a few Labour "leave" MP's, this will see the first part of the Brexit bill over the line, just.
The alternative for the Tories would be a general election, which will ensure that there are very, very few, Tory rebels.
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| And as well as having no mandate from the people , one of these two jerks gets to become PM supported by a NI terrorist group.
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Move along....nothing to see here......given the old pussy grabber was elected to the white House, no doubt this "domestic" will endear him to the Tory faithful
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| Quote ="tigertot"I have to believe there are good people on all sides; far more on the left obviously....
I agree with that & this is what the dischuffed & disenfranchised should be putting their frustrations into. Taking central power from London & giving it to the regions for all but national & international strategic decisions. Getting people to believe they can truly influence politics.'"
They’d have have you think that those on the left were good people but they’re just better liars. Both sides are a shower of shi’ite and every four years we vote for a kick in the balls or a punch in the face and try to convince each other that one is better than the other.
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Move along....nothing to see here......given the old pussy grabber was elected to the white House, no doubt this "domestic" will endear him to the Tory faithful'"
Shock horror! A couple have a row over spilt wine! Dear me!
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Shock horror! A couple have a row over spilt wine! Dear me!'"
Indeed.
If there had been a call from his partner to the police, there may have been a story but, this is just tabloid sensationalism and a sorry sign of the modern world.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Indeed.
If there had been a call from his partner to the police, there may have been a story but, this is just tabloid sensationalism and a sorry sign of the modern world.'"
It's not just the tabloids though is it. The story I saw was from the guardian
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Move along....nothing to see here......given the old pussy grabber was elected to the white House, no doubt this "domestic" will endear him to the Tory faithful'"
Oh dear I bet you feel a bit of a prat now full details are emerging. It seems the "concerned" neighbours have a none too complimentary poster on their car about our Boris
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The white supremacist Steve Bannon has said he has been advising Boris Johnson, something Boris Johnson has repeatedly denied and called “lefty delusion”. Boris Johnson has shown yet again he is a liar and has dangerous links to the neo Nazi far right.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... is-johnson
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... is-johnson
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Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"The white supremacist Steve Bannon has said he has been advising Boris Johnson, something Boris Johnson has repeatedly denied and called “lefty delusion”. Boris Johnson has shown yet again he is a liar and has dangerous links to the neo Nazi far right.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... is-johnson'"
How does this prove Boris is a liar? It could be that Steve brannon is a liar? No? All the article states is Steve brannon says he advised Boris. If it said Steve brannon says the moon is made of cheese would you automatically believe that?
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... is-johnson'"
How does this prove Boris is a liar? It could be that Steve brannon is a liar? No? All the article states is Steve brannon says he advised Boris. If it said Steve brannon says the moon is made of cheese would you automatically believe that?
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Do I fuc!(
This privileged w@nker, a renowned liar and self interested idiot led people like yourself up the garden path and will now become the PM of britain. I don't give a toss is there was wine split on a laptop or if her earring got caught on his nipple ring during some weird upper class "cosplay"......the fact that voices were raised and the subsequent "keep schtum" story points to no malice, he is a lying cheating scumbag.....
Working class racists dictated to by the ruling classes.....I bet you feel so empowered.
If you don't know you're being coned, then it's not your fault......but if you suspect it and go along with it then you get what you deserve.
Which are you? Stupid, or Ignorant?
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Do I fuc!(
This privileged w@nker, a renowned liar and self interested idiot led people like yourself up the garden path and will now become the PM of britain. I don't give a toss is there was wine split on a laptop or if her earring got caught on his nipple ring during some weird upper class "cosplay"......the fact that voices were raised and the subsequent "keep schtum" story points to no malice, he is a lying cheating scumbag.....
Working class racists dictated to by the ruling classes.....I bet you feel so empowered.
If you don't know you're being coned, then it's not your fault......but if you suspect it and go along with it then you get what you deserve.
Which are you? Stupid, or Ignorant?'"
Fwiw I am no happier him becoming PM than you are. What I can't stand is the automatic knee jerk reaction on here that he is a "wife beater" or some sort of white supremesist. You really do need some help with that class envy of yours though
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"It's not just the tabloids though is it. The story I saw was from the guardian'"
I'm not too sure that any anti Tory article in the Guardian should be taken overly seriously, they love a bit of Tory bashing ni that particular paper (a bit like the anti Corbyn stuff that is in the Mail and Torygraph every other day and it would appear that the "friendly" neighbour is very much against Boris and the Tories anyway.
AS I said previously, unless his partner makes a complaint, this is a non story, although it does seem to have caused his ratings to drop.
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Fwiw I am no happier him becoming PM than you are. What I can't stand is the automatic knee jerk reaction on here that he is a "wife beater" or some sort of white supremesist. You really do need some help with that class envy of yours though'"
I'm not sure he is a white supremisist (sic) but he is the ultimate narcissist, a spoil brat who sees himself above everyone else, no matter what colour, & will say or do anything to get what he thinks is his god-given right, despite not being that talented. As Chris Patten said “He’s lied his way through life, he’s lied his way through politics, he’s a huckster with a degree of charm to which I am immune. As well as being mendacious he’s incompetent.”
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Fwiw I am no happier him becoming PM than you are. What I can't stand is the automatic knee jerk reaction on here that he is a "wife beater" or some sort of white supremesist. You really do need some help with that class envy of yours though'"
1. He is on record for sayig Black People have a lower IQ. He has apologised for it.....but the mere saying of it betrays/displays his prejudices....He is both a racist and a supremacist for saying it.
2. Wife Beater or not, to raise your voice to a women when you are isolated (ie....she has nowhere to go and you are therefore inflicting your will on her) is a form of abuse
3. I was educated at Public School, boarded for 6 years and have no issue with any class, be it working or upper. What I do take umbrage to is self entitled tw@ like Boris and his mates who've ever done a days work in their lives, but who the ignorant right wing have attached themselves to in a grasp for power.
Trump cannot shake them off......he tries really hard to move to the centre, but he is constantly reminded that his racist right wing rhetoric is what got him elected in the first place....it will be exactly the same with BoJo......he will appease the right to stop Farage destroying the tory party....... In my Opinion...he is both a bully and a racist......if he didn't actually "hit" his partner, he did verbally abuse her and that alone should prevent him from being the leader of a scout troupe, let alone the country
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| Quote ="Call Me God"1. He is on record for sayig Black People have a lower IQ. He has apologised for it.....but the mere saying of it betrays/displays his prejudices....He is both a racist and a supremacist for saying it.
2. Wife Beater or not, to raise your voice to a women when you are isolated (ie....she has nowhere to go and you are therefore inflicting your will on her) is a form of abuse
3. I was educated at Public School, boarded for 6 years and have no issue with any class, be it working or upper. What I do take umbrage to is self entitled tw@ like Boris and his mates who've ever done a days work in their lives, but who the ignorant right wing have attached themselves to in a grasp for power.
Trump cannot shake them off......he tries really hard to move to the centre, but he is constantly reminded that his racist right wing rhetoric is what got him elected in the first place....it will be exactly the same with BoJo......he will appease the right to stop Farage destroying the tory party....... In my Opinion...he is both a bully and a racist......if he didn't actually "hit" his partner, he did verbally abuse her and that alone should prevent him from being the leader of a scout troupe, let alone the country'"
Point 1: there is plenty of scientific research that says that is a correct statement. In fact Asians have an average iq higher than blacks and white. Nothing wrong in stating either a of those facts. Doesn't make white people superior
Point 2: please don't try and tell me you've never had a row with the missus when both of you have raised your voices. I know I have with mine and let me tell you she gives as good as she gets. Doesn't make either of us an abuser for God's sake it's just a bloody row
Point 3: your tone makes me think you believe anybody who is right of centre is ignorant. I could say the same of all Corbyn supporters. But neither statement would be factually correct. There is intelligence and ignorance on both sides of the political divide
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The Conservatives’ mandate is very weak and the new leader taking it on second hand is not going to be in a strong position. His party won’t allow a deal, Parliament won’t allow no deal, a general election would be massively unpredictable with the Brexit Party and committed Remain parties taking votes from the Conservatives and Labour, and a second referendum would likely be close enough to not solve the problem. Stalemate.
Clumsy, ugly and potentially disasterous as it will be, maybe it needs someone like Johnson to bring it to a head, and see how it falls out. Or maybe he’ll just tie himself and us in even more Gordian knots.
We really have made a right pig’s ear of this.'"
There is a sort of poetic justice in all this that BoJo is tasked now with reaping what ye sow.
A deal could pass through parliament BTW. Caroline Flint on the Marr show Sunday said her and her 26 colleagues (who signed a letter to JC calling for support of their very strong leave constituencies) if a deal was presented that was an improvements on TM's they would give BoJo the votes to pass it through. That would be enough by my reckoning to rule over the rebel Tory MPs.
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Point 1: there is plenty of scientific research that says that is a correct statement. In fact Asians have an average iq higher than blacks and white. Nothing wrong in stating either a of those facts. Doesn't make white people superior '"
in his 2002 column in the Spectator, Boris penned an article titled: “Africa is a mess, but we can’t blame colonialism”.
In the piece, Boris described the continent as a “blot” and suggested that it would be better off if it was colonised again, writing: “The problem is not that we were once in charge, but that we are not in charge any more…the best fate for Africa would be if the old colonial powers, or their citizens, scrambled once again in her direction; on the understanding that this time they will not be asked to feel guilty.”
Also in 2002, in a column in the Telegraph, BoJo described black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles”.
He's a fu(1(ing racist.....don't you or him hide behind science.....
Quote ="wotsupcas"Point 2: please don't try and tell me you've never had a row with the missus when both of you have raised your voices. I know I have with mine and let me tell you she gives as good as she gets. Doesn't make either of us an abuser for God's sake it's just a bloody row '"
This wasn't "a row"....her shouting "get off me" means there was contact......that's a no no.....especially for a future Prime Minister
Quote ="wotsupcas"Point 3: your tone makes me think you believe anybody who is right of centre is ignorant. I could say the same of all Corbyn supporters. But neither statement would be factually correct. There is intelligence and ignorance on both sides of the political divide'"
My Tone? I believe that everyone has the right to believe what they want, so long as they do not inflict their beliefs on everyone else. Boris straight out lied.........he's been called put on many occasions and always ducks the issue.....he is a privileged fop and I can't believe that the 160,000 mail readers will vote in his favour......BUT THEY WILL Because the alternative is a General Election and the demise of the Tories.....
As we are discussing "tone".... yours points to you being a right leaning person. I do not call you out as such to demean you, as your opinion is your right, but to defend a man who claimed Blacks have lower IQ's and who says they have "watermelon smiles" is an overstep......he is a racist......please at least accept that fact before identifying (incorrectly) my dislike of a class I was born into or my attitude towards the right wing......
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A deal could pass through parliament BTW. Caroline Flint on the Marr show Sunday said her and her 26 colleagues (who signed a letter to JC calling for support of their very strong leave constituencies) if a deal was presented that was an improvements on TM's they would give BoJo the votes to pass it through. That would be enough by my reckoning to rule over the rebel Tory MPs.'"
Aye, watching him fail would be quite amusing if it wasn’t us he was failing.
I think an improved deal might mean different things to different MPs. Would he be willing to drop any of May’s red lines? Even if he was, there’s very little time for a significant revision before he’s promised to hit the metaphorical button.
If he’s not, then what? He’s going to do it on force of personality and chutzpah?
Believe in Britain, believe in Boris!
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I don't like to give creepy little weirdo Rory Stewart any credit for anything, other than perhaps his spectacular inability to tie a tie - but his "Believe in the bin" analogy was frighteningly accurate; Boris Johnson's suggestion that optimism and belief will win the day, is the same level of fantasy politics as Geoffrey Boycott and his ilk, who never fought in a war, saying that "we" won the war, so we'll survive Brexit.
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A hard line cabinet, take no prisoners
Draft in a few of the Brexit party for good measure
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