Quote ="Saddened!"Ba, lets all be sheep. The Israeli's are attacking children, ba, ba, ba. Interestingly, I have not heard that reported anywhere in the mainstream media, it doesn't look a very comprehensively researched article and there is no proof any of it is in any way genuine. Not saying it's not, the Israeli army are under severe pressure and one soldier acting in a mindless way wouldn't be a surprise, there have been similar examples of boasting servicemen in pretty much all conflicts that have been reported on in recent times. Why don't you answer the question of why Hamas put their terrorists into schools to fire the rockets in the first place? Ultimately isn't the blood on their hands when the missile comes the other way and hits where they fired from?'" Before I answer your question, let me just ask you a quick question. How do you know Hamas fire rockets from their schools? In fact, I will answer that question for you. "Because the BBC/Sky reported it" (What the BBC and SKY havent reported is the fact that it has been proven the IDF have doctored photographs to justify bombing schools) Did Hamas fire rockets from the beach, that led to Israeli gun boats slaughtering those young boys who were playing there? Now, how do I know that Hamas dont fire rockets from schools? I dont. However, what I do know, is a turkish doctor I have known for over 7 years who has been in gaza the whole time and who is currently working along an absolute hero in Mads Gilbert. I speak to him as often as i can which is at the very least, every other day. I will take his word that Hamas do not fire rockets from schools or shelters over the lies of Israel. In fact, he was actually working at one of the hospitals recently bombed by Israel and has told me in 7 years he was worked in gaza, not once has any rocket been fired from that hospital. What do you make of the UN, thats the United Nations, telling Israel not to bomb the UN school they bombed yesterday, 17 times. Yes, Israel were warned 17 times, but they still do it. Here is a letter from foreign doctors working in Gaza stopwar.org.uk/news/open-letter- ... 9ocv-NdX0c So you tell me, who are the real terrorists here? #gazaunderattack @YourAnonNews

Quote ="Saddened!"Ba, lets all be sheep. The Israeli's are attacking children, ba, ba, ba. Interestingly, I have not heard that reported anywhere in the mainstream media, it doesn't look a very comprehensively researched article and there is no proof any of it is in any way genuine. Not saying it's not, the Israeli army are under severe pressure and one soldier acting in a mindless way wouldn't be a surprise, there have been similar examples of boasting servicemen in pretty much all conflicts that have been reported on in recent times. Why don't you answer the question of why Hamas put their terrorists into schools to fire the rockets in the first place? Ultimately isn't the blood on their hands when the missile comes the other way and hits where they fired from?'" Before I answer your question, let me just ask you a quick question. How do you know Hamas fire rockets from their schools? In fact, I will answer that question for you. "Because the BBC/Sky reported it" (What the BBC and SKY havent reported is the fact that it has been proven the IDF have doctored photographs to justify bombing schools) Did Hamas fire rockets from the beach, that led to Israeli gun boats slaughtering those young boys who were playing there? Now, how do I know that Hamas dont fire rockets from schools? I dont. However, what I do know, is a turkish doctor I have known for over 7 years who has been in gaza the whole time and who is currently working along an absolute hero in Mads Gilbert. I speak to him as often as i can which is at the very least, every other day. I will take his word that Hamas do not fire rockets from schools or shelters over the lies of Israel. In fact, he was actually working at one of the hospitals recently bombed by Israel and has told me in 7 years he was worked in gaza, not once has any rocket been fired from that hospital. What do you make of the UN, thats the United Nations, telling Israel not to bomb the UN school they bombed yesterday, 17 times. Yes, Israel were warned 17 times, but they still do it. Here is a letter from foreign doctors working in Gaza stopwar.org.uk/news/open-letter- ... 9ocv-NdX0c So you tell me, who are the real terrorists here? #gazaunderattack @YourAnonNews

Whilst plenty of Israel's military actions deserve condemnation, that "article" about the Israeli soldier isn't as you've made out Lebron. It goes on to say it's likely not true.

He's a soldier in an engineering unit. He's not a sniper. There is no way he'd be using, or probably even able to use, that weapon.
Sounds like an idiot making things up on twitter to try and prove how much he hates the enemy.

So whilst his views are abhorrent, there is no evidence to show he killed 13 children and plenty of evidence to show he's a lying idiot who should be disciplined by the IDF.

You also can't take 1 person's idiocy and apply it to the whole organisation. It'd be like saying every British Army soldier is as cold-blooded/stupid as those who murdered a wounded Taliban fighter.
That kind of thinking ie all Israelis want to kill Palestinian children or conversely all Palestinians want to drive Israelis into the sea, is partly the entire problem in a nutshell. If there were a bit less of that kind of reactionary thinking and bit more of calmly dealing with the mess on both sides then there'd be a much better chance of peace.

The RL equivalent is that all Salford players are stupid as Gareth Hock.

Well said.

I hold no views on either side of the fence other than shake my head at the perpetual human response to want to protect territory from what they perceive as aliens, slightly simpler to understand when ours is an island nation, more difficult to comprehend when the land is partitioned by humans into seemingly random chunks.

However,

I also wonder why Hamas would want to fire a handful of rockets from within a school playground for the reason stated by the Israeli government that "it offers them protection" when in fact the rocket launching equipment that they are using is simple and portable, the very fact that we are to believe that they set up in a playground is proof of this - the truth is that you can launch your rocket from anywhere and then almost be gone by the time they land - why would you need to avail yourself of protection from retaliation when you aren't going to be there within a few minutes of arriving ?

They are also storing mortars, rockets and guns in UN schools. This has been proven by both the Israeli's and the UN themselves. The UN are a mess, chaotic rabble that has no real control. The Hamas fighters are fighting their entire battle from residential areas. They store, use and move, all within the areas people live.

A mess in which both are as bad as each other and which needs to be sorted by the wider world. If only the major powers could get round a table and talk about it.

No surprise at all that they are fighting from within residential areas given the confinement of their "lands", as you say, a complete mess which will only be solved when both sides recognise that the other are not enemies but neighbours, and also only solved when such governments no longer have easy access to international weapon manufacturers who have no regard to where their products are being used or to what effect they are being put to - quite surprising that no-one ever asks such questions of the manufacturers, its probably the only business in the world where you aren't responsible for what your product does.

"The UN are a mess, chaotic rabble that has no real control." As a member of the UN (an importnat one) have we let this happen?

I fear for myself. I live in a Muslim area and the emotions are very high. Young men are stirred up to the extent a discussion is impossible: as an ex-History teacher they do want to raise the matter with me but there is no discussion as yet.

Note to FA: the Tamil suicide bombers were often atheists or did not believe in an afterlife.

Surely most people can differentiate the use of military force to implement current political policy, and the individual actions of a soldier?

When a soldier steps through the gate of a FOB, they know it is a lottery as to which one in the patrol steps on an IED, or is the one which is picked out by a sniper. And yet Dally, they have the balls to do that for everyday of their 6 month tour. Something you may consider when next you are bitchin to Mrs D about the congestion you faced on your drive home.....

And speaking of bitches, where is Durham Giant with some answers to the points I raised re Syria?

You clearly have a point buried somewhere in your head that you want to get out, if you are ever able to explain what it is, please feel free.

Do you live in England?

Quote ="Lebron James"Before I answer your question, let me just ask you a quick question. How do you know Hamas fire rockets from their schools? In fact, I will answer that question for you. "Because the BBC/Sky reported it" (What the BBC and SKY havent reported is the fact that it has been proven the IDF have doctored photographs to justify bombing schools) Did Hamas fire rockets from the beach, that led to Israeli gun boats slaughtering those young boys who were playing there? Now, how do I know that Hamas dont fire rockets from schools? I dont. However, what I do know, is a turkish doctor I have known for over 7 years who has been in gaza the whole time and who is currently working along an absolute hero in Mads Gilbert. I speak to him as often as i can which is at the very least, every other day. I will take his word that Hamas do not fire rockets from schools or shelters over the lies of Israel. In fact, he was actually working at one of the hospitals recently bombed by Israel and has told me in 7 years he was worked in gaza, not once has any rocket been fired from that hospital. What do you make of the UN, thats the United Nations, telling Israel not to bomb the UN school they bombed yesterday, 17 times. Yes, Israel were warned 17 times, but they still do it. Here is a letter from foreign doctors working in Gaza stopwar.org.uk/news/open-letter- ... 9ocv-NdX0c So you tell me, who are the real terrorists here? #gazaunderattack @YourAnonNews'" Surely you realise by now that the actual experience of people in living and working in Gaza (or anywhere else, for that matter) counts for nothing in the minds of a number of regular keyboard warriors here who prefer to get the information that feeds their views from newspapers/TV/Facebook/twitter. What on earth would your contact know compared to them?

Quote ="Lebron James"Before I answer your question, let me just ask you a quick question. How do you know Hamas fire rockets from their schools? In fact, I will answer that question for you. "Because the BBC/Sky reported it" (What the BBC and SKY havent reported is the fact that it has been proven the IDF have doctored photographs to justify bombing schools) Did Hamas fire rockets from the beach, that led to Israeli gun boats slaughtering those young boys who were playing there? Now, how do I know that Hamas dont fire rockets from schools? I dont. However, what I do know, is a turkish doctor I have known for over 7 years who has been in gaza the whole time and who is currently working along an absolute hero in Mads Gilbert. I speak to him as often as i can which is at the very least, every other day. I will take his word that Hamas do not fire rockets from schools or shelters over the lies of Israel. In fact, he was actually working at one of the hospitals recently bombed by Israel and has told me in 7 years he was worked in gaza, not once has any rocket been fired from that hospital. What do you make of the UN, thats the United Nations, telling Israel not to bomb the UN school they bombed yesterday, 17 times. Yes, Israel were warned 17 times, but they still do it. Here is a letter from foreign doctors working in Gaza stopwar.org.uk/news/open-letter- ... 9ocv-NdX0c So you tell me, who are the real terrorists here? #gazaunderattack @YourAnonNews'" Surely you realise by now that the actual experience of people in living and working in Gaza (or anywhere else, for that matter) counts for nothing in the minds of a number of regular keyboard warriors here who prefer to get the information that feeds their views from newspapers/TV/Facebook/twitter. What on earth would your contact know compared to them?

Rochdale

as to the snide comment (what! FA sarcastic?) from FA: you made a comment that wars and political violence could be reduced if people did not believe in an afterlife which would reward them for these actions. I pointed out that the Tamil Tigers were atheistic suicide bombers. Disproving your view.
Oh, also read the Bible or Koran: both strongly emphasise punishment for those who shed innocent lives; a point ignored by many who preach their view of religion.

So why are you scared? Are you saying that Britons with Asian forebears care more about people they have never met in Gaza than a fellow Briton than you and may attack you even though it has nothing to do with you?

But people are bemoaning the implementation of Israeli government policy by Israeli troops (who are also risking their lives and getting killed). German soldiers in WW2 "were only doing their job and obeying orders" but people in this country say they should have disobeyed orders. If Iraq was felt to be an illegal war (which it largely was) why did British troops just do what they were ordered rather than refuse? Can't you see the double standards that prevail in British (and each country's own) press and public opinion. That was my point. People are outraged except when its their people who are committing the slaughter. Then it's OK by most people. Sickening hypocrisy.

By the way, I don't drive home you silly individual.

People are entitled to voice their own opinions. Even those who ignore the salient points, crowbar a reference about the Germans and WW2 into a reply, and witter on about a perfectly normal human reaction!

I would suggest you have a read of Carl Von Clausewitz, at the very least you will have a better understanding about War, and perhaps it will take your mind off
the indignities of public transport......

never seen Cadbury been accountable for obesity, or BMW for speeding.....

it's not the product that kills people, it's how it's used.

At least Iraq is a safer more secure country for the ten of thousands of innocents [iwe[/i slaughtered.
Oh, wait on a minute..........................................................................................................

Wear your Help for Heroes wristbands with pride, no really!

How utterly stupid. Your proposition seems to be that if you can provide an example of "atheist suicide bombers", (why did you introduce suicide bombers, btw?) this "disproves" an argument that eliminating religion would reduce wars and violence? Do you believe what you proposed there is actually a valid argument?

Just to pick one single current example, would Sunnis kill Shias for being Shias, or Shias kill Sunnis for being Sunnis, if from midnight they suddenly were of no religion, or is that too hard a question for you?

Btw the Black Tamils were hardly atheists. From what I have read, they were mostly Hindu, and therefore many would certainly have believed in an afterlife; but those suicide bombers were mostly selected and brainwashed from an early age and their motivations were rooted in that brainwashing. Al Jazeera did a good report on these which I suspect will be available on YT if you want to learn something. A brainwashed worldview and ideology is to me largely indistinguishable from "religion", it is surprisingly easy to indoctrinate people even into the extreme, eg a bunch of seemingly intelligent and educated people mostly agreeing to die for Charlie Manson's crazy views.





How breathtakingly naive. All religious killers always find perfect justification for the vilest massacres and abominations directly from their interpretation of those books. Whoever is "interpreting" the book easily finds you guilty for something or other, and then you have to die. Or are you arguing that the hundreds of thousnads of religious killings are all of "guilty" lives?

"I have here a beautiful hand-made Qassam rocket, to you, £50 cash, no vat, no invoice, no questions asked, it'll make a lovely conversation piece for your mantlepiece or the middle of your dining table and can be decorated by your children with poster paint in a myriad of designs, serving suggestion shown on box. PS, don't hit the base too hard with, for example, a hammer and nail, or be tempted to drill through the case to find out whats inside it because even we don't know, please dispose of carefully and under no circumstances throw it over your neighbours fence".

Indeed! This is my whole point. 99.9% of people
Take what they read in the main stream media as fact when the reality is, it's best to keep an open mind. One prominent msnbc (now NBC news) reporter actually lost their Job early in the conflict due to them wanting to air an anti isreal report. Search Russell brands you tube show "trews" the one with the fox presenter who interviews someone from the West Bank

Whilst on the subject of media, it frequently annoys me how the media "show" moves from spot to spot and then almost completely ignores and forgets about the places they've just been to or other places.

Recently, with events in the Middle East & Africa, has been a perfect example of how the media report and often over-report from one place with almost total disregard to others. I can only assume because they've got themselves setup there so they'll use the situation as much as they can.

For instance we had the world's media in Libya during the conflict. Then Gaddafi was killed, then virtually nothing for years.
The same for Iraq, media crawling the place during the "insurgency" then nothing, despite plenty of Iraqis still dying.
The same is true for Syria, Ukraine, Israel-Palestine, Iran, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia and I'm sure there are others too.

When this conflict first started, Anonymous organised a demonstration in London. Over 10,000 people turned up. At the exact same moment that the demonstration reached Downing Street, do you know what the BBC did? Interview Tony Blair with his pro Israel views! You couldn't make it up! The next Anonymous demonstration attracted over 100,000 people but again, not one mention on the BBC yet in the past, the BBC has reported on the likes of fox hunting demos attracting around 5.000 people. Why is that?

#gazaunderattack
@youranonnews

In the lazy, cut-price age of global communications (but at a cost on an accountants spreadsheet) the news media are spoon-fed "news" stories by whoever is the most powerful interested party, as soon as that party's goal has been achieved then the news feed stops and everyone moves on.

Which is precisely what makes the newspapers bleating about "investigative journalism being damaged by Leveson" so laughable, they wouldn't know what "investigative journalism" meant until they looked it up in a Thesaurus or happened to trip up upon some Pilger documentaries from the 1970s on Youtube.

John Waite on Radio 4's Face The Facts is pretty good too.

But true to form, the BBC are axing the prgramme in 2015 due to budget cuts

You mean they offered a balanced view, as per the BBC Charter? Coverage of a pro-Gaza protest and then a pro-Israeli stance? You couldn't make it up. Shocking. I assume in your mind reaching Downing Street and cutting to Blair was symbolic and planned and probably clear evidence of a Zionist plot?

No mention of Gaza protests?
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-28383460Thousands march through London over Gaza crisis[/url
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28492479=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28492479Gaza conflict: Berlin protests show dividing lines[/url
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-28504779Hundreds join Belfast Gaza protest[/url
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-28502303Anti-Israeli protest on the streets of Edinburgh[/url
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-28383431Protesters join rally for Gaza[/url
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-28509791Policing of violence at Cardiff Gaza protest 'poor'[/url

They're even reporting on your lot protesting on their reporting.
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-28278951Manchester protesters march against BBC coverage and Gaza bombings[/url
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-28531909'Bristol Friends of Gaza' protest camp outside BBC[/url

I have no problem with a person taking a firm stance on this issue, even an unbalanced one such as yours. But the obsession with BBC reporting is ridiculous and slightly baffling given the BBC has a clear public duty to deliver unbiased reporting - and that includes the pro-Israel stance.

FWIW, I've seen several Israeli officials being grilled pretty harshly by BBC reporters, and I'm seeing almost blanket coverage of the carnage in Gaza. I'm not sure what about this is unacceptable.