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| Quote ="cod'ead"It's what we signed up to.
Put your xenophobia back in the closet and get over it'"
It's not xenophobic it's logistics, typical of the left wing if it sounds right wing attack the person.
We don't currently have the infrastructure to cope, I don't care which governments fault it is, they're all as bad as each other, the truth is school don't have places and hospitals are overrun, overworked and underfunded.
If it was Britain 2 and Britain 3 instead of Romania and Bulgaria I'd still think the same, it's a numbers thing that's it.
So are you going to join the adults now or do I lower myself to your childish level?
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| Quote ="Dally"Just driving through Boston,Lincs - 3 coaches from Sofia unloading already.'"
No piccies?
FOR EVIDENCE?
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| Just driving through Sofia - 3 coaches from Boston, Lincs unloading already!
Pah, it's easy this!
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"No issue with 'foreigners' it's numbers on resources. If we can afford them and accommodate them ie school places,not over burden NHS then iI'm cool with it BUT can we?'"
Sorry, didn't mean to suggest that you thought that.
I agree to a point. The system will do ok in the good times when it's getting real terms increases but when it's not then it's going to struggle and any additional call on the system isn't good.
Like with most immigration issues there is generally only a problem when one area has to deal with a large proportion of immigrants, be they long or short term.
I understand there is effectively a "waiting period" for new EU entrants where they are expected to adopt most EU rules eg ECHR, trade regulations etc but aren't eligible for all aspects, which is why it's only now that Bulgarians are allowed to come here. IIRC I think it's been 7 years, maybe that should be extended to something like 15 years? And a proper plan to help get new entrants economies up to a more similar level. I know there's a transition fund but it doesn't seem to have much impact.
Also is forcing new entrants to join the Euro a good idea?
I'm sure there are things we can do here to alleviate the effects, the increasing use of recruitment agencies isn't helpful in this regard.
Also more government money for areas effected by immigration would be helpful.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Migrant workers are net contributors to the state, '"
This is a statement I have heard made many times but I haven't seen any evidence to back it up. Are you able to link to any?
Just curious.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Like I say I've no issue with migrant workers as long as infrastructure is designed to take them seamlessly, if we are short or over stretched in any public service then open doors to millions is just idiotic. '"
This was a problem in certain towns following the influx of eastern Europeans post 2004. I remember one programme - something like Panorama but I'm not sure that it was that particular programme - investigating the pressures public services were under in certain areas. Peterborough springs to mind. If memory serves they ran out of school places among other problems.
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| Quote ="Him"
I'm sure there are things we can do here to alleviate the effects, the increasing use of recruitment agencies isn't helpful in this regard.
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The recruitment agency model has grown massively in the past few years - ten years ago I was at a large supermarket customer in their staff canteen with some of their warehouse supervisors and one young lad was reading a Polish tutor book, when asked what it was he stated that it was the next big thing and having a working knowledge of Polish would benefit his management career - very astute lad.
12 months later I was at one of their largest distribution sites in the south of England on the day it opened and they had an intake of 500 new staff to induct, we were importing all of the personnel records and not to put too fine a point on it all 500 intake that day were from agencies and all were Polish, that was the first time I had appreciated just what an effect on employment the freedom of movement across borders was going to create, on that site the wage rates were above NMW but they had not been able to recruit in the locality in the numbers that they required, the job was then handed over to the agency.
Its very unusual now for me to go into an agency office and find a majority of UK workers on their books and the admin staff in many agencies are Polish/Lithuanian/etc etc, in my admin support role I probably speak to more non-UK than UK citizens each day now.
Apart from tomorrow when I have to go to Grimsby again, may the Lord protect me ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"This is a statement I have heard made many times but I haven't seen any evidence to back it up. Are you able to link to any?
Just curious.'"
[url=http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6399/economics/impact-of-immigration-on-uk-economy/This[/url may help
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| Quote ="Dally"Just driving through Boston,Lincs - 3 coaches from Sofia unloading already.'"
Call The Home Office. Oh hang on, its not illegal.
And if it bothers you that much, get a job picking fruit (most likely what they'll be doing if your Mail style post is even true) and force them out.
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"Do Spanish people complain about the migration of English folk over there?'"
I don't think the fear is of migration, but about the sort of people migrating. For example you would not necessarily want thousands of highly skilled pickpockets beggars or benefit fraudsters, many of whom would double as health tourists, flooding in. If the same individuals were all highly skilled labour, self-sufficient and not undercutting local labour nor draining social resources then the same individuals would (presumably) be welcomed. Wherever they were from.
I think many assume, whipped up by a frenzy of tabloid scare stories, that we are in for much of the former. Sadly experience has shown that their worries are based in a lot of reality, but at least we will continue to support the growing Romanian mansion construction industry if nothing else.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I don't think the fear is of migration, but about the sort of people migrating. For example you would not necessarily want thousands of highly skilled pickpockets beggars or benefit fraudsters, many of whom would double as health tourists, flooding in. If the same individuals were all highly skilled labour, self-sufficient and not undercutting local labour nor draining social resources then the same individuals would (presumably) be welcomed. Wherever they were from.
I think many assume, whipped up by a frenzy of tabloid scare stories, that we are in for much of the former. Sadly experience has shown that their worries are based in a lot of reality, but at least we will continue to support the growing Romanian mansion construction industry if nothing else.'"
I wonder how many folk will believe & be influenced by the rags that spite all the negative vile?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"This is a statement I have heard made many times but I haven't seen any evidence to back it up. Are you able to link to any?
Just curious.'"
I can show you xrays of my hips, knee and foot fusion, all prosthetics and screws implanted by migrant workers. My injection and medical advice, all given to me by a migrant worker, my fillings in my teeth, courtesy of a migrant worker, my opticians appointment, made for me by a migrant worker. My salad I had for tea tonight, all picked (in all probability) by a migrant worker. My elderly relative in the care home, cared for by a migrant worker. Need any more evidence??
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"If it was Britain 2 and Britain 3 instead of Romania and Bulgaria I'd still think the same, it's a numbers thing that's it.
So are you going to join the adults now or do I lower myself to your childish level?'"
Put your xenophobia back in the closet and get over it.
Don't worry it's all this geezer does Wire Yed. That's his way of debating.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"Put your xenophobia back in the closet and get over it.
Don't worry it's all this geezer does Wire Yed. That's his way of debating.'"
It is?
Wrong again fool.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"It's not xenophobic it's logistics, typical of the left wing if it sounds right wing attack the person.
We don't currently have the infrastructure to cope, I don't care which governments fault it is, they're all as bad as each other, the truth is school don't have places and hospitals are overrun, overworked and underfunded.
If it was Britain 2 and Britain 3 instead of Romania and Bulgaria I'd still think the same, it's a numbers thing that's it.
So are you going to join the adults now or do I lower myself to your childish level?'"
So exactly which bit of "we signed up for it" are you struggling with?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"It is?
Wrong again fool.'"
Oh the irony.
Simply backing up what I say you do.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"Oh the irony.
Simply backing up what I say you do.'"
Do you have any concept of irony?
He made some typically ill-informed bleat that mirrored what you'd expect from the right wing gutter press. I responded by highlighting not only his xenophobia but also where he was wrong in his assertions. His response was simply "it's not fair". It may well not be fair but if tgere is indeed a problem it is one of our own making and is up to us to manage in a better way.
You chip in with a slur on me, nothing more, nothing less.
So do one
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Do you have any concept of irony?
He made some typically ill-informed bleat that mirrored what you'd expect from the right wing gutter press. I responded by highlighting not only his xenophobia but also where he was wrong in his assertions. His response was simply "it's not fair". It may well not be fair but if tgere is indeed a problem it is one of our own making and is up to us to manage in a better way.
You chip in with a slur on me, nothing more, nothing less.
So do one'"
A slur you say?
One that appears in countless examples of you name-calling, harassing, slágging off, ridiculing others for their spelling mistakes and labeling them, because they don't have the same opinion as you or are "ill-informed".
Who do you think you are exactly?
Do one what exactly?
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"A slur you say?
One that appears in countless examples of you name-calling, harassing, slágging off, ridiculing others for their spelling mistakes and labeling them, because they don't have the same opinion as you or are "ill-informed".
Who do you think you are exactly?
Do one what exactly?'"
Have you been secretly appointed as some form of class behaviour monitor or something? Your stalking of me would almost be creepy, if it wasn't so comical
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Have you been secretly appointed as some form of class behaviour monitor or something? Your stalking of me would almost be creepy, if it wasn't so comical'"
Comical.
Great deflection.
Happy New Year Cod'ead.
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| Must admit, I was personally delighted with positive attitude expressed by the first migrant interviewed, in which he told us he loved to work, and was here to wash cars.
Not the most challenging of career choices, but as the owner of two white cars, I for one welcome him to our small Island.
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| I'm so xenophobic my wife is Polish, so xenophobic my family are Norweigan, so xenophobic that the majority of my friends are not White/British.
So you think we have enough school places and the NHS are not over stretched?
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"I'm so xenophobic my wife is Polish, so xenophobic my family are Norweigan, so xenophobic that the majority of my friends are not White/British.
So you think we have enough school places and the NHS are not over stretched?'"
Whether or not we have sufficient school or NHS resource is not the fault of any EU migrant labour. What is so difficult to understand?
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| certainly not enough school places where i live, having to add on static classrooms...local Councillor tried to get a new school built but the council went for the easier option... too many new houses built in one area and now they are playing catch up! doubt the migrants are moving into the new houses mind
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