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| Quote ="JerryChicken"This thread needs no other explanation of how that opinion-paper known to all as "The Daily Mail" actually works other than to read the first of these two links ...
[urlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2482111/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Ah-Pesto-Meet-poverty-poster-girls.html[/url
Yes, we know its Richard Littlejohn, pinnacle of all tanista's and a self parody of right wing politics so that you wonder if even he believes half of the stuff he writes, but still, some editor at The Mail read his column this week and thought it worthy of publication, it being representative of the readership's own opinions - and what better to get them suitably outraged than a tatoo'ed woman on benefits, nay, a lifestyle choice on benefits and yet daring to speak of things such as "pesto" and "kale" in recipes as if the unemployed do not deserve such foodstuff ?
OK, so now read the truth from Jack (female) in fine detail ...
[urlhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/01/richard-littlejohn-wrong-about-jack-monroe-daily-mail[/url
There is more than a smattering of two newspapers having a bitchfight there but the response tells you everything you need to know about the story and everything you need to know about how much research Littlejohn did into the story before he wrote his vile piece and got it published, zero research is the answer.
=#0000FFSuch a pity he did no research because he missed something that would have REALLY got his faithful lunatics frothing at the mouth, Jack is a lesbian too, that one fact would probably have got his spiteful writing onto the front page.'"
Maybe that's what he meant by 'lifestyle choice'. Clearly that makes it all her fault that her relationship with the father broke down, so her situation was entirely all her own making. He was just being all subtle, like. [size=85:where's a smiley with the right hand gesture when you need it?:[/size
What would be great is if the Daily Mail were now forced to replace his column with Jack's for 6 months.
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| Quote ="Mintball""Tap into" or 'fuel'?
Sounds obvious, but is far from the reality.
There are still plenty of schools where sex 'education' is 'don't do it! It's a mortal sin!' etc. There are still parents who do the same – and many who do nothing at all.
So-called 'abstinence education' and, indeed, the entire religious 'chastity' thing in the US has been seen to be counterproductive, producing more pregnancies and STD diagnoses than where 'abstinence education' is not the mantra of the day.
Research done some years ago by a group of children's charities found that:
• children where the parents were very open about sex were the group that started sexually experimenting with others later than any other group and were most likely to use safe sex/contraception;
• children in families where sex was viewed from a moral/religious perspective were likely to start sexually experimenting with others at a younger age, and were less likely to use safe sex/contraception;
• children in families that simply didn't give a toss (so to speak) were most likely to start experimenting with others sexually the earliest, and the least likely to use safe sex/contraception.
I remember another survey from a year or so ago where some children believed a range of myths like not getting pregnant if you have sex on a copy of the [iYellow Pages[/i (and no, I'm not making that up).
Anecdotally, I'd say that the girls I am aware of who have got pregnant as teenagers are all from Catholic families – contraception good, yes?
Or, as is the case of my sister, who got pregnant (bloke told her he'd had the snip), brought up in a family where sex and sin were synonyms.
There's a reason that the Netherlands has such a low rate of teenage pregnancy – and some of it at least is down to very open and proper sex education. We still have let parents withdraw their children from sex education (imagine being able to withdraw a child from maths) and allow entire whole schools to get away with whatever nonsense and superstition they want to spread.'"
You mean there's been research conducted that has backed up the 'Catholic girls are right nymphos' stereotype?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Why wait until then, based on his past oeuvre I already think he's a racist as well as bigot and a bully and his English isn't up to scratch.
But I think you've missed the point here, it's not a generalised comment on the topic, it's a virulent slagging-off targeted at one particular woman and the accusation is that it is chockablock with shamefully invented lies.'"
His English is significantly better than anyone on here by a big distance, he is clever enough to get a national newspaper to pay him big money for the use of said English!!
It depends on whether you actually take every word she says as being without bias? One thing I find strange is she didn't seem to have engaged the fire service in what the opportunities would be if she had a baby until after she had the baby and then complained about the lack of flexibility. Perhaps if she had engaged the fire service prior to pregnancy she maybe would not have got pregnant or she would not have been so surprised at the outcome?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"His English is significantly better than anyone on here by a big distance, he is clever enough to get a national newspaper to pay him big money for the use of said English!!
It depends on whether you actually take every word she says as being without bias? One thing I find strange is she didn't seem to have engaged the fire service in what the opportunities would be if she had a baby until after she had the baby and then complained about the lack of flexibility. Perhaps if she had engaged the fire service prior to pregnancy she maybe would not have got pregnant or she would not have been so surprised at the outcome?'"
I can understand why you sympathise with Littlejohn, he makes things up too.
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| Quote ="Mintball""Tap into" or 'fuel'?
Sounds obvious, but is far from the reality.
There are still plenty of schools where sex 'education' is 'don't do it! It's a mortal sin!' etc. There are still parents who do the same – and many who do nothing at all.
So-called 'abstinence education' and, indeed, the entire religious 'chastity' thing in the US has been seen to be counterproductive, producing more pregnancies and STD diagnoses than where 'abstinence education' is not the mantra of the day.
Research done some years ago by a group of children's charities found that:
• children where the parents were very open about sex were the group that started sexually experimenting with others later than any other group and were most likely to use safe sex/contraception;
• children in families where sex was viewed from a moral/religious perspective were likely to start sexually experimenting with others at a younger age, and were less likely to use safe sex/contraception;
• children in families that simply didn't give a toss (so to speak) were most likely to start experimenting with others sexually the earliest, and the least likely to use safe sex/contraception.
I remember another survey from a year or so ago where some children believed a range of myths like not getting pregnant if you have sex on a copy of the [iYellow Pages[/i (and no, I'm not making that up).
Anecdotally, I'd say that the girls I am aware of who have got pregnant as teenagers are all from Catholic families – contraception good, yes?
Or, as is the case of my sister, who got pregnant (bloke told her he'd had the snip), brought up in a family where sex and sin were synonyms.
There's a reason that the Netherlands has such a low rate of teenage pregnancy – and some of it at least is down to very open and proper sex education. We still have let parents withdraw their children from sex education (imagine being able to withdraw a child from maths) and allow entire whole schools to get away with whatever nonsense and superstition they want to spread.'"
Is this for real - are you seriously suggesting that the majority of single mothers have had a convent based education or come from strict Religious upbringing? Have you got any data that supports this argument not just a bias think tank with a point to try and prove.
We have higher rates of teenage pregnancy than more religious countries such as Italy, Spain and France how is that?
All children in the country have extensive sexual education as part of the national curriculum there is simply no excuse for getting pregnant. There is the morning after pill if they haven't got enough about them to get a coil fitted, take the pill or even demand the man wears a condom.
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| Quote ="Him"I can understand why you sympathise with Littlejohn, he makes things up too.'"
As I said on the Leeds thread to you - prove it!! As on the Leeds thread you can't yet you try take some moral high ground.
Like a child in a gang you act all tough when you're surrounded by the cliquey clan of keyboard warriors. You are like everyone else on here simply touting your opinion as fact as if it actually carried more gravitas it would be sad if it weren't so funny. At least Mintball quotes other people who can articulate her opinion for her.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"As I said on the Leeds thread to you - prove it!! As on the Leeds thread you can't yet you try take some moral high ground.
Like a child in a gang you act all tough when you're surrounded by the cliquey clan of keyboard warriors. You are like everyone else on here simply touting your opinion as fact as if it actually carried more gravitas it would be sad if it weren't so funny. At least Mintball quotes other people who can articulate her opinion for her.'"
You see, I can take the moral high ground. For a couple of very simple reasons:
1. The person making the assertion (you) is the person who has to provide evidence to backup those assertions, especially when there is little to no logic or common sense behind those assertions
2. You are factually (note fact, not opinion) wrong.
Now, do you wish to answer the questions anyone put to you on other threads on here? Like how much Ineos were paying Len McCluskey? Or since you've brought up the Leeds thread, you could tell us all how Gary Hetherington got Nigel Wood the role of Chairman of the RFL? A role he's never actually been appointed to.
Now, feel free to either answer the questions put to you, admit you were wrong, or what is most likely is do as you've done on the Leeds board (and regularly do on here after cocking up) and disappear again for a while.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Is this for real - are you seriously suggesting that the majority of single mothers have had a convent based education or come from strict Religious upbringing? Have you got any data that supports this argument not just a bias think tank with a point to try and prove...'"
Try to read what I actually wrote.
Including how what I mentioned was not a "think tank", never mind a 'biased' one "with a point to try to prove", which idea you have entirely imagined into existence.
Incidentally, look up [iThe Education of Shelby Knox[/i, a documentary on the US and this subject.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"We have higher rates of teenage pregnancy than more religious countries such as Italy, Spain and France how is that?'"
We also finally have rates that are declining. But on religion, see my previous post and the segment on the US, itself a rather religious country.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"All children in the country have extensive sexual education as part of the national curriculum ...'"
In theory. But that doesn't have to be anything like extensive.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"You mean there's been research conducted that has backed up the 'Catholic girls are right nymphos' stereotype?'"
As I said to Sal, try reading what I actually wrote.
I could suggest that 'clergy kids' are all reprobates, and that can mean a number of things.
That's actually a subject in it's own right, but every other clergy child I've met will tell you, in essence, the same thing, irrespective of whether their parents were fundamentalists or liberal. Which suggests that what creates the pressures and problems is actually a result of a kind of goldfish bowl experience and in part at least about how parishioners react to you as 'clergy kids'.
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| Quote ="Mintball"As I said to Sal, try reading what I actually wrote.
I could suggest that 'clergy kids' are all reprobates, and that can mean a number of things.
![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
That's actually a subject in it's own right, but every other clergy child I've met will tell you, in essence, the same thing, irrespective of whether their parents were fundamentalists or liberal. Which suggests that what creates the pressures and problems is actually a result of a kind of goldfish bowl experience and in part at least about how parishioners react to you as 'clergy kids'.'"
Blimey, I was only cracking wise. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"His English is significantly better than anyone on here by a big distance, he is clever enough to get a national newspaper to pay him big money for the use of said English!!..'"
Oh please ... his stuff will be sub-edited and it still comes out sounding like playground taunts.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"It depends on whether you actually take every word she says as being without bias?..'"
Riiiiight, so we'll rely on Littlejohn to tell us the "truth" shall we?
I mean he obviously knows better than she does about her circumstances and has a deeply distinguished past record of considered, factual reporting.
A few slight flaws there ... can you spot them?
Quote ="Sal Paradise"...One thing I find strange is she didn't seem to have engaged the fire service in what the opportunities would be if she had a baby until after she had the baby and then complained about the lack of flexibility. Perhaps if she had engaged the fire service prior to pregnancy she maybe would not have got pregnant or she would not have been so surprised at the outcome?'"
For crying out loud, read what she says rather than just dismissing the facts as bias ...
It was [uafter she returned to work[/u that her relationship broke down and she then explored ways in which she could work that allowed her to look after the child as well ... these were not be found in the Fire Service, even with the father doing his bit, because he worked shifts too.
BTW I don't see she "complained" about it, she is simply explaining the circumstances .... she got on with it and eventually found a job that fitted.
Isn't that what we want people to do?
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