I read all sorts from the classics to Harry Potter.
If a book is good reading I don't care how old it is.

Gove's whole attitude seems to be 'Everyone should be educated exactly the same way I was and everyone should have exactly the same likes and dislikes as me'' as Coddy has said he doesn't have the brains to understand that it isn't financially possible for that to happen.

LOTR is pretty opaque for kids. My two (19 & 17) are both voracious readers and big fans of the films, but neither has managed to get out of the Shire when reading the books.

And that's without even attempting [iThe Silmarillion[/i.

I actually read the Harry Potter books to my son and it became a thing for us to do before he went to bed when he was younger. We both really enjoyed the experience and it's a great memory for me. Whether that was what sparked it I don't know but although like myself he is of a technical bent he has always enjoyed reading and asked for Kindle for his last birthday. Very happy to buy him that.

It was Biggles that really hooked me into reading, although I would say it did help that I didn't have a tv or games console or anything in my room until I was about 12/13, by which point I was already into reading.

I thought it was the greatest book ever written until I was almost 40.



Fortunately, I grew up.

A very valid point – and I don't, for the record, have any issue with computer/video games.

I suppose I always read, but my mother was a very active censor on what – particularly in my teens, when there was very little around specifically for that age group.

I loved Biggles too, and devoured anything in our school library about WWII.

If anyone was ever in doubt about Gove's mental state, then reading the following link should provide some clarity:

[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10060376/Michael-Gove-aims-to-be-the-heir-to-Tony-Blair.htmlGove aims to be the heir to Tony Blair[/url

For someone who harbours a desire to lead his party one day, I'd suggest that wanting to emulate a man who is hated by around 90% of tories is probably not the wisest choice.

Conversely, it's another indication of just how far to the right Blair forced the Labour party

Put your claws away Minty there is nothing wrong with a bit of Tolkein.

We (Me and Mrs AS) have already managed to hook my 2+3 year old's into reading.
They actively ask for stories before bed every night.

Me too. I really enjoy playing some of the better video games out there, I think they can be just as creative or imaginative as a good film or book. However I'm pretty certain that, as a kid, had I had the option of watching TV, playing a games console or reading a book, I would certainly have read an awful lot less than I did and might not have got hooked on reading. Also, without wanting to sound snotty, and its in no way a criticism of games, TV or film, but I think generally a book requires you to use your imagination and think about things more than in those other forms of entertainment.
I worry about some of my friends who have kids and their rooms are filled with tv's/consoles etc from very young ages. A friend has 2 children aged 7 and 9 and both kids have a TV, games console and DVD player in their room and both kids have iPods. And, unsurprisingly, they both spend hours and hours each day in their room using one or another of their gadgets.
Aside from potential safety worries about what they're accessing on the Internet on their various gadgets, I just think they should be monitoring what, and how much they're doing on these gadgets.

Like you, my mother was very active on what I was allowed to do. We had a PC, and I was allowed to play games but only for so long, the same goes for TV. And I'm certain that restriction on what I could do pushed me toward books when I wouldn't necessarily have gone there myself, and without really making me feel like I'd missed out on TV or games.

Ignoring the fact that you said "a [ibit[/i of ..."



It's a major work of fantasy fiction and a jolly good romp. The creation of the languages was an extraordinary feat. Which doesn't stop it being, IMO, overrated.

It shares with the likes of John Betjeman a rather reactionary attitude toward industrial and urban Britain. The Shire is England's countryside; Mordor is the industrial England – in essence, then, the midlands and north.

He cribbed from other sources – not in itself a problem, but hilariously, JRR himself claimed that the only resemblance to Wagner's [iRing[/i cycle was that both included a ring and rings are round, although various literary scholars have pointed out that this is a tad disingenuous – not least in the fact that both were influenced by a range of source materials, including [iVolsunga[/i and the [iNibelungenlied[/i, but also in that Wagner had imbued his ring with certain powers, which was not something that was in the original myths and legends.

But my point would be, in essence, that [iLOTR[/i fails as 'great literature' because it is little more than what it is (and it's arguably over long and indulgent). That's not a snobbish comment on genre fiction, though: I'd rate Terry Pratchett far, far more highly than JRR – simply because the bulk of the Discworld novels go beyond straightforward fantasy tales and have something to actually tell us about the human condition. You don't have to read them like that, but the satire is most certainly there. They're also deceptively simply written, and yet can have you laughing on one page and crying on the next.

You had a PC at home? Blimey, you're a lot younger than me.



Agree entirely with you on TV and the internet and games etc. I'd add, though, the sort of toys where they do it all for the child. I still think the best toys are some of the simplest – the ones that demand you use your imagination. I remember playing endlessly with old boxes and cartons when I was very young. Later, Lego was something that engaged you creatively and imaginatively.

Lego was great and something I really enjoyed as a kid. Back then the "best" sets were in many ways simply the biggest as they had more bricks, different types of brick and wheels and if you were lucky even an electric motor you could use to make the sails in a windmill go around!

Today unfortunately Lego has moved far closer to the "do it all for the child" approach where the sets build a specific thing such as stuff from the latest Iron Man film. The imagination bit has been removed.

When my eldest was growing up he had some sets similar to that but we also bought a second hand Lego set that was just a large wooden box crammed with all sorts of bricks. We still have it in the loft ready for any grand-kids should any ever come along. He (and me!) had far more fun trying to build things like the tallest tower we could without it toppling over than assembling the pre-defined sets. The latter tended to be rarely disassembled and the bricks rarely used to build something entirely out of the imagination. They became toys once assembled and so tended to have a similar lifespan to any other toy. If Star Wars was no longer flavour of the month neither was the Star Wars lego set. That was never true when Lego was just bricks!

I am sure Lego felt they had to move in this direction to remain in business but it intrigues me why this is so. What came first? lack of demand for traditional sets or was it just a marketing thing that meant the pre-defined sets are an even bigger market?

In case anyone missed it, this week's episode of [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01sdmxx/Down_the_Line_Series_5_Episode_3/Down the Line on BBC iPlayer[/url is well worht a listen, especially the caller on gay marriage

That's a really interesting question, which could be applied to all manner of things, including video and computer games etc.

I don't know the answer, but it does remind me of something that me and t'other half have noticed more than once while on the Continent – the amount of 'traditional' toy shops. Whether I'm just not aware of them over here, but I don't see them.

All my favourites in one thread.

Pratchett, Biggles, Lego, an acceptance that computer games aren't (all!) junk and a healthy disdain for Tolkeins 'masterpiece'.



Minty, will you marry me?

How much Lego have you actually [igot[/i?

Oooh discussing the dowry! I like it.

It should be borne in mind that I also like Wagner.

Are you watching the Met performing the Ring? Recorded the first 2 so far, not yet viewed.

I missed the first part, so have got myself the Blu Ray of [iRheingold[/i. I'm going to give myself over to it this weekend while tb is off watching the Tigers in Perpignan.



There's the start of a series on BBC4 this evening, with the director of Covent Garden explaining the whole cycle.7.15pm, I think.

I agree on most of this although others have also said there are hints that the ring was the H-bomb and Sauron was just the embodyment of the German nation (Evil thought to be destroyed only to return).
Tolkien did whilst joking say himself that it was a major work of creating a mythical history of GB as ours was destroyed when the Romans then the Vikings and finally the French decided that we had rather nice land that they wanted to own.

Yet Tolkien himself objected to the anti-German rhetoric that the government used during the war, even though he was avowedly anti-Nazi: he didn't like the demonisation of a whole people and didn't consider it any better if it was doneby the UK than if it was done by Goebbels.

There are major religious themes in it – JRR being a very observant Catholic, who is said to be responsible to CS Lewis finding faith (although he was less impressed when Lewis opted for the good old CofE).

Indeed but as you say he said other influences were not true as well plus he didn't need to demonize the German nation himself to use the idea.
My point is that if you start pulling it apart there is an awful lot in it to find (It's influences obviously).

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22558756Gove accused of bullying by NAHT[/url

I can only assume that the weasely little [is[/ihit was himself bullied as a schoolboy and judging by the way he's playing around with sports funding, I reckon the closest he came to any physical exercise was as timekeeper for the school speedchess championships

And in other education news: [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22571711Academy group accused of funding extravagant jollies at taxpayer expense[/url