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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"How do you explain the significant % of gay men that have very feminine traits - high voices, very slim bodies effeminate mannerisms is that all learned/copied?'"
Probably the same way that some women are quite 'masculine'.
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| Quote ="Dally"Could there perhaps be a multiplicity of "causes"?'"
You still don't seem to have grasped the differences between gender, sex and sexuality yet
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"How do you explain the significant % of gay men that have very feminine traits - high voices, very slim bodies effeminate mannerisms is that all learned/copied?'"
Nor do you
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| So, getting back to the topic, is the Pope gay?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"So, getting back to the topic, is the Pope gay?'"
I'll send him an email.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Nor do you'"
Homosexuality and its predisposed triggers - yet another area in which you think you are an expert?
Is there no end to the subjects in which you have superior knowledge?
Thankfully most on here can see - 'emperors new clothes'/empty jacket!!
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"I'll send him an email.'"
You're sooo 20th century. You should tweet him.
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| Quote ="Dally"Could there perhaps be a multiplicity of "causes"?'"
Well, of course there "could" but that's not the same as "we know there are".
For the good of this thread, if you want to discuss homosexuality (and you certainly manage to do so in a thread of almost any topic), why not start another thread?
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"I'll send him an email.'"
A he-male?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Homosexuality and its predisposed triggers - yet another area in which you think you are an expert?
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TBF it was you, not him, who was stating as a fact that it is all down to "homosexual genes":
Quote ="You"Does anyone really believe if you have homosexual genes you will refrain from having a same sex physical relationship because Francis pontificates'"
When challenged about this, you replied indicating that you were reinforced in your opinion that there are "homosexual genes" because you said:
Quote "How do you explain the significant % of gay men that have very feminine traits - high voices, very slim bodies effeminate mannerisms is that all learned/copied?"'"
In other words you were clearly expressing the view that these traits are NOT learned/copied but are down to "homosexual genes".
I don't think it is definite that there isn't, and indeed it makes reasonable sense to theorize that there may be some connection with a genetic component, but your statement that "homosexual genes" exist is not an established scientific fact.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"How do you explain the significant % of gay men that have very feminine traits - high voices, very slim bodies effeminate mannerisms is that all learned/copied?'"
I don't and can't explain that.
I can postulate possibilities (from a postion of lack of knowledge) with the best of 'em but I am not in a position to explain.
How do you explain the %age of heterosexual men who display similar characteristics?
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| I find it quite disgusting that seemingly intelligent people can't accept that some people are homosexual and some aren't, it isn't an illness or a condition.
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| Quote ="Standee"I find it quite disgusting that seemingly intelligent people can't accept that some people are homosexual and some aren't, it isn't an illness or a condition.'"
Who are these seemingly intelligent people?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"I don't and can't explain that.
I can postulate possibilities (from a postion of lack of knowledge) with the best of 'em but I am not in a position to explain.
How do you explain the %age of heterosexual men who display similar characteristics?'"
Or, as I suggested, women who display 'masculine' characteristics – or interests, for that matter.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"You're sooo 20th century. You should tweet him.'"
I'm old fashioned .
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| Looking at it from a purely scientific point of view IF a "gay" gene does exist (yet to be proven) chances are that it would be recessive as it would not be conducive to the success of the species. One could argue that the estimated 10% occurrence of homosexuality in the population is somewhat higher than would be expected if this was the case and hence nurture could be an influence, however it might be that the "gay" gene is associated with another effect that is beneficial in some way e.g. in the way that the gene for sickle cell anaemia is associated with improved resistance to malaria.
As for high pitched voice, masculine looks etc., these are sexual characteristics that are controlled by hormones and response to hormones is controlled by your genes. Sometimes lack of the appropriate receptors to these hormones due to a genetic quirk can lead to a male foetus developing into a baby that appears to have the physical characteristics of the opposite sex and lead to them being raised as girls. It is not inconceivable that if a "gay" gene does exist that it may be linked to a gene that controls response or production of sex hormones.
All the above is hypothetical.
It should be noted that homosexuality occurs in a wide number of species at varying levels of occurence and what part nurture or genetics takes place in these instances is unknown.
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