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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Yeah but look at it this way, his other beliefs are not rooted in logic either ... and they got him the top job in a whole system not rooted in logic.
Whoops, that's religion ... sorry.'"
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| Quote ="DaveO" You just watch if he says anything on the Falklands now how much it gets reported or is used as propaganda.'"
Whilst I wouldn't argue that anything said would of course be newsworthy, I still don't feel that ultimately it will make any difference to the status of the island. Personally, I feel that it is time for Argentina to accept the situation ... Will it? Probably not.
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| Quote ="Wanderer"He's fully entitled to his views on the islands, whatever they are ... but beyond that it's nothing to do with him i.e. his position doesn't change a thing.'"
He is now spiritual leader of millions of Argie catholics and they take this stuff very seriously. If he pronounced that the Falklands should be left alone then his views would carry a whole lot of weight with a large proportion of the Argentinian population. Of course I wouldn't expect him to become at all involved - but to say that his views- if he expressed them - wouldn't be very significant indeed is clearly not right. They would.
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| Quote ="DaveO"When you learn a bit of history from this time it soon becomes apparent the position of the Pope was more of a ruler than any kind of prophet. '"
The Papal Army was finally reduced to nothing but the Swiss Guard, essentially bodyguards, in 1970. The idea that the Pope is a non-military leader is only three years older than me.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"He is now spiritual leader of millions of Argie catholics and they take this stuff very seriously. If he pronounced that the Falklands should be left alone then his views would carry a whole lot of weight with a large proportion of the Argentinian population. '"
That would be a 'blessing'.
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Of course I wouldn't expect him to become at all involved.'"
Me neither however newsworthy it may be if he did.
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| Quote ="Wanderer"He's fully entitled to his views on the islands, whatever they are ... but beyond that it's nothing to do with him i.e. his position doesn't change a thing.'"
As an Argentinian his voice will be more than heard my the majority of South Americans plus millions of others throughout the world. If he chose to get politically involved over The Falklands I would suggest the UK's position could become untenable. Do I think the Pope would get involved? No. But it remains an outside possiblity.
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| Quote ="Dally"As an Argentinian his voice will be more than heard my the majority of South Americans plus millions of others throughout the world. If he chose to get politically involved over The Falklands I would suggest the UK's position could become untenable. Do I think the Pope would get involved? No. But it remains an outside possiblity.'"
No, (as per my previous post) I don't think he'll get involved .
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| Quote ="Dally"As an Argentinian his voice will be more than heard my the majority of South Americans plus millions of others throughout the world. If he chose to get politically involved over The Falklands I would suggest the UK's position could become untenable. Do I think the Pope would get involved? No. But it remains an outside possiblity.'"
The islands are ours and nothing will change that and both sides cannot be dragged to talks about it.
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Quote ="Wanderer"No, (as per my previous post) I don't think he'll get involved .'"
“Las Malvinas are ours": New Argentinian Pope Francis has hard line on Falkland Islands
www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... nd-1762205
What do you reckon to that?
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“Las Malvinas are ours": New Argentinian Pope Francis has hard line on Falkland Islands
www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... nd-1762205
What do you reckon to that?
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Reckon if he speaks out again whilst Pope it won't be long before a new Pope is being elected.
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Reckon if he speaks out again whilst Pope it won't be long before a new Pope is being elected.
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| Quote ="Dally"Reckon if he speaks out again whilst Pope it won't be long before a new Pope is being elected.'"
Why?
How much respect or power do you think the US's little poodle carries nowdays in Europe or more importantly on the global stage?
Nowhere near as much as empirical little Englanders like you may believe.
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That the Mirror are looking to create a story?
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That the Mirror are looking to create a story?
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| Quote ="Dally"Reckon if he speaks out again whilst Pope it won't be long before a new Pope is being elected.'"
You think they'd have him assassinated??
tell more . . .
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You think they'd have him assassinated??
tell more . . .'"
Wasn'r Pope John Paul I bumped off ?
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Wasn'r Pope John Paul I bumped off ?'"
Why are you asking me? Anyway if he was, I have a cast-iron alibi.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Why are you asking me? Anyway if he was, I have a cast-iron alibi.'"
Well, it could have been for any number of reasons.
A nutter did it because the voices told him to do it.
A Catholic did it because they were trapped in poverty by the number of kids they begat.
An atheist did it because they were godless.
An agnostic did it, just to be certain about something.
A Calvinist did it but it was predestined by God ... so God may or may not forgive them depending upon, inter alia, whether they repent doing the thing that they were predestined to do.
Or ...
He just died.
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| Quote ="Dally"As an Argentinian his voice will be more than heard my the majority of South Americans plus millions of others throughout the world. If he chose to get politically involved over The Falklands I would suggest the UK's position could become untenable. Do I think the Pope would get involved? No. But it remains an outside possiblity.'"
Pretty much every South American and anyone of Hispanic descent supports the Argentine claim anyway. Britain's voice is in the minority where the Falklands is concerned. Cos no-one likes us. There's a grain of truth to that.
IF he decided to speak out South Americans would hold demonstrations and make a big noise, but I'd like to think the UK would hold their firm line having just carried out fair democratic process for all the world to see. I'd also hope Papal advisors would be telling him to stay out of it.
Quote ="WIZEB"Why?
How much respect or power do you think the US's little poodle carries nowdays in Europe or more importantly on the global stage?'"
As much as many, more than most and less than only a few. And nowhere near as feeble as many would love to believe.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Wasn'r Pope John Paul I bumped off ?'"
Allegedly...
"In God's Name" is a fascinating book, even if it may not be 100% true (and I'm not saying it is or isn't).
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| Quote ="Chris28"Allegedly...
"In God's Name" is a fascinating book, even if it may not be 100% true (and I'm not saying it is or isn't).'"
I shall have to have a look at that.
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| I know for a fact that a big percentage of the people that live there today are from south america, only young kids/adults why they didnt vote i dont know. i think perhaps Argentina might be sneeking in through the back door with this one and in generations to come there wont be much of a british ethnic presence in the falklands anymore and might shift the tides politically. The Island has an older polpulation where the kids go for there education in England or south America, I must admit its the most depressing place i have ever been to ( and i come from wakefield), i cant honestly see what the great big fuss is with the place.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman" i cant honestly see what the great big fuss is with the place.'"
Two words: Fish and Oil
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The Anti-Christ has no powers here. Not while Liz is in charge.
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The Anti-Christ has no powers here. Not while Liz is in charge.
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| Quote ="wigan_rlfc"The Anti-Christ has no powers here. Not while Liz is in charge.'"
Tony Blair was thinking about making a come back into politics a short while back. He quite recently converted to Catholicism........it's all a set up.
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| Well that didn't take long:
[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21835363Argentina's Kirchner raises Falklands with Pope Francis[/url
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