Agreed. Hardly surprising however as he did once say he wished to slit my throat because I asked him for his opinion on how he would reduce the budget deficit.

Who mentioned political dinosaurs?

He hasn't been seen because he had other things to do. As for a "lack of judgement", WTF are you to judge? The sentiment expressed in the thread title and OP are entirely sincere: Patnick conspired to deny justice to the families of 96 dead people, only issuing an apology once he'd been called out by a commission of enqury.

At least he has now joined the list of good tories

Your limited powers of comprehension are no longer in any doubt, there's absolutely no need to prove once again that you have difficulty reading what was actually written

That's because those advocating capital punishment aren't interested in justice, only revenge

Did he kill anybody?

I've said this before, that is a truly abhorrent POV, as is the one expressed by the OP. Sickening.

Have taken the champagne off ice now Maggie's out of hospital!

Classy, you so sterotype yourself as the typical flat cap one-eyed labourite Northerner, so if someone were to be joyeous over the fact your mum/nan was seriously ill and may possibly die you'd be overjoyed no doubt...tool

Why?

It's not killing anyone, it's a preventative punishment.

I don't get what all the fuss is about. An unpleasant person has died and the OP is pleased to see the back of him. So what? Should we only be sad when someone dies, however repugnant we find that person? There are plenty of 'positive' RIP threads on here, so why not a 'negative' one?

Keep it in the fridge though, the old witch can't last much longer.

What a load of rubbish - I am talking about executing those convicted of premeditated crime where there is no doubt e.g London bombers, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, Rose West etc - not sure how this counts as revenge?

I simply cannot see the value in keeping them alive in reasonable comfort for 40 years+. There's was premeditated murder for which they should suffer the ultimate penalty, Brady - he been in prison since the 60's why? The poor mother who died this year has been tortured all this time he would give up where he buried the boy - if he had been executed he might have given that up at the point of no return.

Wait until Maggie dies!! Arthur will be celebrating from his London flat - great thing socialism!!

All murder is premeditated, it wouldn't be murder if it wasn't.

And if the definition of murder is the planned death of an individual, then what is state execution ?

Presumably the London bombers would have been executed if they'd been caught. Although you'd need a pretty good surgeon to prepare them for execution.

Not necessarily. You can still commit murder without planning it.

There has to be an intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm, sounds pretty much like premeditation to me

If we are brawling in the street and as we are rolling around on the floor I see a broken bottle, pick it up and shove it in your gut. You die, and the prosecution prove I intended to cause you GBH I have murdered you.

I haven't planned in advance to kill you or cause you GBH, it was a split second decision as I saw the bottle on the floor.

Codead - I wouldn't really agree with that. You can do something on the spur of the moment that isn't pre-planned.
For instance you go home, find someone in bed with the wife and in a rage stab him with a pair of scissors on the bed-side table. I'd say that wasn't premeditated, whereas the 7/7 bombings, say, would be because they were planned and committed in the cold light of day.

By picking up the scissors and attacking him with them, you obviously intended to cause him harm, the fact that scissors can cause grievous harm drops you in to that category. There is no time limit on premeditation, you don't have to sit brooding or planning it for days or even hours.

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Then you could apply the defence of defending yourself or momentarily insanity. If it could be proven that you picked up the bottle with the intention of causing me grievous harm, you have murdered me, simple as.

"Send him down"

You do know that Brady comitted his crimes while we had capital punishment, it didn't stop him.

For me there are differing degrees:
1. Those who go out with the intention of killing someone e.g. drugs lords, Rose West
2. Those who ensure if things don't go according to plan they have a back up
3. Self defence that goes to far
4. Man finds wife in bed with best mate

The emotional the drive to do the deed is different and a life sentence for 1 & 2 seems odd given the different degrees of drive.

Thankfully the drafting and implimentation of the law is not up to you