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| Quote ="Dally"When you hear what has happened in Manchester today, do feel the death penalty should be applied in such extreme cases?
For me absolutely yes.'"
For me absolutely no, for the reasons that others have put quite eloquently on here.
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| So, does the panel think that cop killer Harry Roberts, still in chokey since 1966, has had a better or worse punishment than being snuffed out? He was sentenced to life a fe w months after the suspension of the death penalty. His "minimum term" of 30 years was actually up in 1996, but repeated attempts at parole since then have fallen on stony ground.
In jail since Bobby Moore lifted the World Cup, think about that. Hard to say without being actually in his predicament; and presumably he always has had the option of topping himself as his own alternative; but I think being a prisoner for 46 years and counting is, from my perspective, a fate much worse than death.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"A good comment made on TV this morning was to compare the UK to the USA, even taking into account the huge population numerical difference you still can't get around the fact that in a country where the police are armed as a matter of course, and several states have the death penalty, you still see on average 160 police murders each year.
So of course, it fixes everything.'"
Especially when compared to the eight British police officers murdered on-duty since 1990
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| The death penalty proves nothing. It does not act as a deterrent as can clearly be seen by the murder rates in the good ol US of A.
Indeed in Victorian Britain when we did hang for trivial offenses it hardly acted as a deterrent. For example we used to hang for pick pocketing. Crowds would gather to see the condemned be hung. Whilst the crowds watched on as the pick pockets were hung, the new generation of pick pockets would be hard at work in the crowd. Futile business and as has been said a state that resorts to murder in this way is not civilised.
What happened yesterday was awful and amounted to simple slaughter of two innocent women regardless of the profession they chose. We must never resort to capital punishment again. I solves and prevents nothing.
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| We can't have the death penalty here ( thank goodness ) because we are in the EU and all countries ( unless I am wrong ) in the EU don't have it.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"We can't have the death penalty here ( thank goodness ) because we are in the EU and all countries ( unless I am wrong ) in the EU don't have it.'"
Not quite. The final death penalty offences were only changed to imprisonment in about 1998, I think, and we've been in the EU/EEC etc for much longer
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| On a similar topic - should serial rapists be chemically castrated?
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| Quote ="post"On a similar topic - should serial rapists be chemically castrated?'"
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| This 21st century nonsense is just that. If you take that argument then why do we have such scum committing atrocities in the 21st century? By your logic we should not, but we clearly do! So the logic is lop-sided and therefore illogical. The death penalty should be introduced for certain categories of crime that the public / their representatives warrant it.
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| Quote ="Dally"When you hear what has happened in Manchester today, do feel the death penalty should be applied in such extreme cases?
For me absolutely yes.'"
It didn't happen in Manchester.
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| It's a waste just to kill them.
Do what I saw in a few films a few years back. Shove all the 'soon to die criminals' on an island or in a 'death race', let them wipe each other out, film it and broadcast it. Sell the rights to a TV company.
This way you get rid of the scum and potentially make millions in revenue for the Govt in a time when its needed.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"It's a waste just to kill them.
Do what I saw in a few films a few years back. Shove all the 'soon to die criminals' on an island or in a 'death race', let them wipe each other out, film it and broadcast it. Sell the rights to a TV company.
This way you get rid of the scum and potentially make millions in revenue for the Govt in a time when its needed.'"
I'd answer that bull[is[/ihit but you'd probably go scurrying off to your tame Leeds admin and complain again, like the snivelling pipsqueak you are.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I'd answer that bull[is[/ihit but you'd probably go scurrying off to your tame Leeds admin and complain again, like the snivelling pipsqueak you are.'"
pipsqueak
What a great term. I am snivelling though, got a bit of man flu at the moment.
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| An eye for and eye makes the whole world blind.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"If a said the only people worthy of the death penalty were them useless fookers who missed at Brighton, would that answer your question?
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Seems you must have had the same education in an English school as those Yorkshire suicide bombers and the Hungerford and Cumbrian mass murderers.That is the type of school the sons of Labour politicians don't go to.
I think that most right-thinking people considered the Chingford Skinhead extremely brave after his experience at the hands of the cowards who made their decisions,and their actions,and the last I heard one of them was begging for forgiveness.
Death penalty - Yes.
Arming police ? Well ask Phoney Tony whether he can survive without his armed guard and see what he says.
Why not compare gun figures with Australia and not America;or another European country.
Suggestions that the grenades recently used originated from Ireland.( Possibly Libya before that,then )
Well done Tony's cronies.Doing a great job as Middle East peace envoy,ain't he ?
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| I love that phrase 'right-thinking'. When it's used in this context I always assume it means 'the thinking of those on the right' as opposed to 'those who think sensibly'. The evidence bears that train of thought out again.
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| Bring back the berch
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| Especially for those who can't spell it.
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| Quote ="Scooter Nik"Especially for those who can't spell it.'"
Knew it didn't look right
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| Quote ="SCR-SeaDiver"
Why not compare gun figures with Australia and not America;or another European country.
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Because America is unique amongst that collection in being a country where all of its police forces carry firearms on regular duty and where several states still have the death penalty for murder and definitely for the murder of a police officer.
By coincidence its also a country with a very similar social, religious and moral status to ours (as opposed to, say, Iran which also has the death penealty and armed police but socially is nothing like the UK), and so it makes for a perfect comparison and indicator of what can, or in this case doesn't, happen when you enforce the kneejerk policies of arming police and executing murderers.
I have to say that the example earlier in this thread of pickpockets operating at hangings for pickpocket theives was an excellent one.
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| Quote ="SCR-SeaDiver"Seems you must have had the same education in an English school as those Yorkshire suicide bombers and the Hungerford and Cumbrian mass murderers.That is the type of school the sons of Labour politicians don't go to.
I think that most right-thinking people considered the Chingford Skinhead extremely brave after his experience at the hands of the cowards who made their decisions,and their actions,and the last I heard one of them was begging for forgiveness.
Death penalty - Yes.
Arming police ? Well ask Phoney Tony whether he can survive without his armed guard and see what he says.
Why not compare gun figures with Australia and not America;or another European country.
I didn't bother with much schooling.
I preferred the self-education route.
Can you tell?
I'd also wager you were one of them s who voted Phoney Tony into Number 10?
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| Quote ="Dally"The death penalty should be introduced for certain categories of crime that the public / their representatives warrant it.'"
No it shouldn't
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| I think they should bring it back, but only for contestants of reality TV shows.
You get eliminated, you get the chair/rope/injection.
Will make people think twice about going on X Factor or Big Brother and will make society better in general.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"I think they should bring it back, but only for contestants of reality TV shows.
You get eliminated, you get the chair/rope/injection.
Will make people think twice about going on X Factor or Big Brother and will make society better in general.'"
Can we include all of the Top Gear studio audience?
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| Quote ="Hutchie"I think they should bring it back, but only for contestants of reality TV shows.
You get eliminated, you get the chair/rope/injection.
Will make people think twice about going on X Factor or Big Brother and will make society better in general.'"
I'll agree with you on that.
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