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| Quote ="cod'ead"Not a big fan of red mullet and I would only eat salt cod that I'd caught and salted myself. I would NEVER eat that cardboard stuff you see in West Indian shops, I remember the salting process when Hull still had an inustry.
I'm also not a huge fan of trout, although wild-caught brownies are preferrable to any farmed crap'"
In one small part of Mark Kurlansky's absolutely excellent book "[iCod - A biography of the fish that changed the world[/i", he describes an aspect of the trade between Newfoundland and the West Indies.
Molasses from the West Indies would be taken to Newfoundland and a very cheap cure of salt cod was taken back to the West Indies to feed slaves.
To this day, there is a Newfoundland tradition of ferementing molasses and distilling into rum ... and West Indians still eat salt cod (as in saltfish and ackee).
Way back, before Columbus, the Basques were bringing huge amounts of salt cod back home and not telling anyone where they got it.
The amounts meant that they couldn't have been drying it on the boats and must have been landing it somewhere for drying before brining it home.
Cabot (I think) reported seeing fleets of Basque vessels on the Newfoundland Grand Banks when he was exploring the area, so they were certainly there before he was.
So, it seems possible, maybe even likely, that the Basques were regularly sailing across to Newfoundland and landing fish there looooong before Columbus "discovered" that continent.
EDIT - inadvertent use of brining there, I meant bringing.
Although brining might also have been appropriate, as it happens
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| Quote ="cod'ead"No mistake at all, the bass and bream that you see on supermarket counters are farmed in the Easter Med (Greece & Turkey usually). The minimum landing size for UK bass (THERE IS NO SUCH FOOKING THING AS SEA BASS) is 36cm, I wouldn't retain a bass of less than 45cm simply because at 36cm it hasn't reached breeding age yet....'"
Not in the UK, but in the US they call it Sea Bass to differentiate it from the, er, Freshwater Bass that they have there.
Now ... an interesting thing was told to me by an American colleague. Where he lives (can't remember where ) a dam was built across a river up and down which Sea Bass roamed.
Many were trapped in pure freshwater as the dam was completed.
They thrived.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Not in the UK, but in the US they call it Sea Bass to differentiate it from the, er, Freshwater Bass that they have there.'"
Thanks, I'll bear that in mind when next I'm fishing for bass in the sea in Europe
Quote ="El Barbudo"Now ... an interesting thing was told to me by an American colleague. Where he lives (can't remember where
) a dam was built across a river up and down which Sea Bass roamed.
Many were trapped in pure freshwater as the dam was completed.
They thrived.'"
You missed this bit then?
"In the US "sea bass" is actually the [url=http://archive.greenpeace.org/oceans/piratefishing/toothfish.htmlPatagonian toothfish[/url"
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Thanks, I'll bear that in mind when next I'm fishing for bass in the sea in Europe
You missed this bit then?
"In the US "sea bass" is actually the [url=http://archive.greenpeace.org/oceans/piratefishing/toothfish.htmlPatagonian toothfish[/url"'"
What I'm saying is, basically, Sea Bass is an Americanisation brought over here.
A bit like how a muffin is now what used to be a bun.
And what used to be a muffin is now an English muffin.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"What I'm saying is, basically, Sea Bass is an Americanisation brought over here.
A bit like how a muffin is now what used to be a bun.
And what used to be a muffin is now an English muffin.'"
And what I'm saying is that it isn't an Americanism at all, the phrase "sea bass" was introduced to UK consumers by Keith Floyd. In the UK the word "sea" is superfluous.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"And what I'm saying is that it isn't an Americanism at all, the phrase "sea bass" was introduced to UK consumers by Keith Floyd.'"
Ah well in that case I'll continue to call it Sea Bass out of respect for Keith Floyd, purely for the fact that he called Fern Britton "an old tart" while giving her a hug on Breakfast TV some years ago.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"And what I'm saying is that it isn't an Americanism at all, the phrase "sea bass" was introduced to UK consumers by Keith Floyd. In the UK the word "sea" is superfluous.'"
I readily agree the word "sea" is superfluous.
And I'm happy to accept that Keith "chuck a couple of bottles of wine in and let it simmer" Floyd popularised the term.
But having been introduced by Keith Floyd doesn't mean it's not an Americanism.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken" ... he called Fern Britton "an old tart" ...'"
Didn't know that.
Even KF was right occasionally then.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Didn't know that.
Even KF was right occasionally then.'"
A memorable morning, GMTV (or whatever it was called then) were doing a cookery slot at about 8am one morning and they had an outside broadcast crew at Floyds own pub in Cornwall (???), cut to Fern Britton on site to introduce him in the bar and its clear that Floyd is already seven parts ed and as she speaks to camera he steps behind her, gives her a big hug and shouts in mock surprise "Fern!! Come here you old tart..."
Cut back to Nick Whatisface and Anne Diamond who look suitably shocked and then move quickly on to the next item.
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| BBC's Saturday Kitchen Live are currently preparing what they are referring to as Sea Bass.
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| Where do you get one of those machines to make potato spaghetti?
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| Quote ="Two Wheeled Saint"Where do you get one of those machines to make potato spaghetti?'"
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| Quote ="Two Wheeled Saint"Where do you get one of those machines to make potato spaghetti?'"
[url=https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=potato+ricer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBicon_surprised.giffficial&client=firefox-a#q=potato+ricer&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=4Vc&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBicon_surprised.giffficial&prmd=imvns&source=lnt&tbs=ctr:countryUK|countryGB&cr=countryUK|countryGB&sa=X&ei=jMZaUIamDMK3hAfps4HoAQ&ved=0CBoQpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=ff301ef4d48490c5&biw=1440&bih=737HERE[/url
They're called potato ricers. Buy the right one and it can also be used to make spaetzle (German noodles), a great alternative to potatoes in many dishes
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| Quote ="cod'ead"... They're called potato ricers ...'"
One of the best gadgets I've bought.
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| On various food threads we have spoken about the notorious Chorleywood breadmaking process.
This process was developed to be able to use flour derived from wheat of a lower protein content to make bread.
Prior to this process, the UK imported an awful lot of "hard" wheat from Canada and the US but, after the invention of the process, bakers were able to use the lower-protein British wheat.
So dependent were we on imported wheat that, during WW2, posters were put up exhorting people to eat potatoes instead, as the wheat had to be convoyed across the Atlantic, running the peril of being sunk by U-Boats.
Personally, I am not a fan of the Chorleywood process and I would dispute the necessity for it now that British wheats have been developed with a higher protein content and would contend that is now only used because it is cheaper... but will leave that discussion for another day.
What I want to know is ... back in the day before the Chorleywood process was developed and before we could import wheat from North America ... how did we produce decent bread in those bygone days, given the low protein content of British-grown wheat?
Or maybe we didn't?
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| Just spotted on Twitter:
"@MaiaDunphy – Met a vegetarian in Spar who only just realised black pudding was not suitable for vegetarians. It's been her Sunday staple for 10 years."
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"@MaiaDunphy – she said she thought it was grains and barley held together by 'something'. I'm not making this up!"
Could have come straight out of the pages of [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Food-Britain-Nation-Appetite/dp/0007219946/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1348397672&sr=8-5this[/url. Indeed, it would have fitted perfectly in a chapter I was reading earlier.
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| Ive decided to do a food/restaurant review every Sunday on me blog, this weeks offering is hot stuff on top of cold stuff inspired by a Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall article...
[urlhttp://jerrychicken.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/sunday-lunch/[/url
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| Hot stuff on top of cold has been around for centuries.
I've always put mustard on top of me 'am and horseradish on me beef sandwiches
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