I think this seems about right.

What is it with female Saints supporters who are involved in primary education?

Is there summat in the watter over there?

We used to have another on here, who was a classroom assistant IIRC, who was just as batty when it came to religion

I was watching a programme on this subject a couple of years ago on Discovery I think, and the main concensus was that any intelligent life ( All the commentators were adamant of life existing in the universe) would be from a predatory past such as ours and would the Human race really like to meet them??

but you could equally argue...would they like to meet us?

Exactly.

This is to me as interesting a point as has been made.

If mankind did get a communication from a distant civilisation, who would speak for us?

What would they say?

The odds are pretty reasonable that the aliens might be the space equivalent of Attila the Hun, or Islamic fundamentalists, or Crusader-style nutjobs. They may be sailing the wastes of space to find new worlds to conquer, like the British, Spanish, Portuguese et al did centuries ago around the world's oceans.

We are beaming signals out there with no idea of the attitude of any intelligent life who might receive it, and if we did attract the attention of some not very nice aliens who had advanced enough technology to be able to answer back, the odds are very high that they would possess weapons against which we would have absolutely no defence.

Put it this way: if there are billions of civilisations out there, what are the odds that the lot of them are just benevolent alien philanthropists? Not great.

To look at it from the other side, let's say that in 2000 years time the human race is still here, and we've cracked the space travel thing, and there is a thriving used-spacecraft market, like there is now in aircraft.

If a planet were discovered that was filled with untold mineral wealth, who would guarantee (whatever the World Space Police did to discourage it) there wouldn't be a few craft from Holme Wood sneaking in there at night and filling their boots?

Well if anybody has seen Ancient Aliens on the History channel there's already some pretty interesting evidence that we've already been visited by ETs over 1000s of years.

You're asking the wrong people...The Doctor would know.

Evidence? Or unsubstantiated speculation?

Very negative, have you not seen Cocoon, the all look like Brian Denehey (or Tahnee Welsh if we are lucky

)

It was god

I too am of the opinion (what do I know though?) that it's a rather risky game to be trying to contact other (sophisticated?

) lifeforms. I suppose if they were at arms length and they just tried to just indicate their existence then that would be OK.
But if there was any chance they could reach here, we'd be toast.
Just lie low would be my advice.


By all means develop means of space travel if need be as well.

Imagine if, in time, we managed to send exploratory visits to each and every planet in the known universe, and turned up a complete blank for life.


The bloody god botherers would be insufferable.

If you follow their logic though, and their god did create just this earth and just us in his image then there is only the conclusion that if life does exist on another planet and it doesn't look like us then there must be another god, at least one more but maybe lots more gods, maybe every one of those trillion planets has its own god, protecting its own little planet like kids do marbles in a school playground.

On the other hand if its all true and there is but one god and he made all of this for us then let us nail his son to a tree just for effect, then why did he bother with such a complicated universe when clearly he has no more use for it than to provide us with something nice to look at on clear nights - he could just as easily have hung all of those twinkling lights in the sky and not bother with orbits and other solar systems, just hang fairy lights above the atmosphere like decorating a christmas tree.

God created everything in the Universe, there is only one God.
The reason you don't understand yet about other worlds is that God has not revealed it to you yet.
Have faith my son, all will be revealed in the fullness of time.
God is using 'scientists' as a vehicle for your enlightenment, but they don't realise (or at least some of them don't) they are being used by God for this purpose.
They somehow foolishly think they are acting independently, but they are not.
You see God has nothing to fear from Science. God made Science.

I have spoken.

Indeed although don't forget that the size of the planet isn't the only factor.
The planet also needs to be in the goldilocks band around that star as well.
Now that is a rather small band of space.

Those who are now wondering what the hell I am on about i'll explain.

Mercury and Venus are to near the sun and therefore to hot, Jupiter and the outer planets are to far away and are therefore to cold, Earth and Mars and in the Goldilocks portion which is just right.
Mars was/is too small and its core cooled at which time it lost its magnetic field and then solar winds just blew the atmoshere away.

So the planet needs to be a rocky world and big enough so that the liquid metalic core can't become solid(Or so is assumed), it needs to have water and it needs to be in the Goldilocks zone.

Deplicate post.

How far is the e from the u on a keypad?
You must have fingers as big as one of the three bears that are associated with the Goldilocks story.

I see now.

So god is making the scientists say all this evolution stuff, but its all wrong because he knows full well that he created everything himself AND planted false evidence as dinosaur bones all over the planet.

He'd be great at playing "Guess Who" at parties,
"Have they got a moustache God ?"
"No"
"I've got none left, I don't know who it is"
"Its Hitler"
"You said he didn't have a moustache"
"Ha Ha, Sucker"

Why does this make me think of Terry Pratchett?



Because it can. Simple as that.

Yes you have got it.
God has a sense of humour.
After all, he created it.
He's not going to make it too easy for his 'scientists'. There would be no fun in that. He is testing them, at the same time as they try to test him.
But he is the daddy.
He created mystery to give 'scientists' a reason to exist.
But at the same time he is testing their faith in him. There will be retribution for those that can't give an adequate reason to doubt him.

I have spoken .......again.

Disagree. Unless you were talking about life forms contemporaneous with us. A planet might [i now [/ibe outside the Goldilocks zone, but may have been in it in the dim and distant past; or else may be within it at some future point.

So, for example, when the Sun expands into a red giant, it is possible that the Earth will end up within the inner limits of the zone, because the zone itself will move.

Then there is the possibility of a planet too close to a star to on the face of it support life, but tidally locked (like the moon) so the same face always turns towards the sun; one side always too hot; dark side way too cold; but may be plenty of scope for life around the twilight zone.

To prove life elsewhere, it doesn't have to be there now. It would be enough to find proof of extinct life elsewhere, eg on Mars.

God : "Ah-ha, so Mr Scientist, you finally died and want to come into heaven ?"
Scientist : "Yes please God"
God : "But you didn't believe in me, you spent all your life trying to dis-prove me"
Scientist : "Ah, well, I can explain all that..."
God : "I gave you an inquisitive mind and you spent all your time telling people how I didn't make the world all by myself"
Scientist : "Well you have to admit God, its a bit far fetched"
God : "I gave you a reason to exist, gave you an inquisitive mind and still you deny my existence"
Scientist : "...and the dinosaurs ?"
God : "Fook off, I'm not talking about the dinosaurs"
Scientist : "But were they a red herring ?"
God : "And I'm not talking about the red herrings either, they were a mistake, wrong colour"
Scientist : "So you gave us inquisitive minds, made us in your image, made us doubt you, but its our fault that we questioned you ?"
God : "You're not coming in..."
Scientist : "What a barstard"
God : "...ever"

Are you are getting a feel for how easy it is too argue the case on God's side?
It's pimps!
God made logic for Man, but he kept a special kind of logic for himself in a cookie jar, and you're not having any.

TBH It's pretty easy to argue the case for or against the existence of God, the impossible part is winning the argument with someone who's already made up their mind.