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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Your first paragraph here including "find me a job listing that specifies £x for males, £x for females", you know, as well as I do, that this description would be illegal - next up, you'll be asking me to find you a left handed screwdriver or a "long stand".
Are you seriously suggesting that equal pay is actually equal, accross all sectors and that female employees are not exploited ?? - I'll accept that things are massively better now than they were 50 years ago but...…………
And it's largely the same for BAME (I hate the acronym) employees, although it can be difficult also for "white" people looking for work in the opposite direction.
I've no idea what this was about: "More quotas? Jobs handed over? Big houses handed over? Cheaper car insurance?" maybe you can explain ?'"
I think it's a very simple question. Read it again.
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Try reading 7 pillars of wisdom by T. E. Lawrence, yes that’s right Lawrence of Arabia. When the Iraq conflict was underway a British army officer gave this book to his American counterpart. He was astounded as to the contents of this book. As for equating Christianity and peace, I merely pointed out the carnage in Iraq brought about by us. Read what you want into that. I am certain you are familiar with the law of cause and affect. The ripples from the Libyan war have ended up on the shores of Europe through the passage of migrants through Libya. You may want to look back at Britain’s involvement in Iran, overthrowing governments for instance. If you can take some of that onboard you may get some insight as to the devastation we have caused in the Middle East. I am as proud as anybody as to being British, but regretfully our foreign policy in the Middle East has been deeply shameful and disruptive.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Try reading 7 pillars of wisdom by T. E. Lawrence, yes that’s right Lawrence of Arabia. When the Iraq conflict was underway a British army officer gave this book to his American counterpart. He was astounded as to the contents of this book. As for equating Christianity and peace, I merely pointed out the carnage in Iraq brought about by us. Read what you want into that. I am certain you are familiar with the law of cause and affect. The ripples from the Libyan war have ended up on the shores of Europe through the passage of migrants through Libya. You may want to look back at Britain’s involvement in Iran, overthrowing governments for instance. If you can take some of that onboard you may get some insight as to the devastation we have caused in the Middle East. I am as proud as anybody as to being British, but regretfully our foreign policy in the Middle East has been deeply shameful and disruptive.'"
You have a very selective way of reading/understanding literature, LoA is widely regarded as a very racist colonial work, for you to then make a comment about mass immigration being wrong suggests you believe that everyone should worship the sky pixie and believe all Middle Easterns are actually the infidels?
Way off topic, sad to know that people still believe the myths and legends of religion are some route to a kind of salvation.
[url=https://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/15043228A34AEAC880256F1E0015E2C9RACIAL, TRIBAL AND ETHNIC CONFLICT IN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY[/url Even the SA agrees that 'Christianity' is inherently racist and the preserve of those who can 'afford' to "move on".
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| Quote ="Cronus"I think it's a very simple question. Read it again.'"
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I can only assume that you are paraphrasing, for effect ?'"
I can only assume you're avoiding answering the really clearly stated question.
Possibly because you know the answer doesn't fit the left's justification for their blinkered and weak subjugation to the BLM movement.
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| Quote ="IR80"You have a very selective way of reading/understanding literature, LoA is widely regarded as a very racist colonial work, for you to then make a comment about mass immigration being wrong suggests you believe that everyone should worship the sky pixie and believe all Middle Easterns are actually the infidels?
Way off topic, sad to know that people still believe the myths and legends of religion are some route to a kind of salvation.
[url=https://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/15043228A34AEAC880256F1E0015E2C9RACIAL, TRIBAL AND ETHNIC CONFLICT IN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY[/url Even the SA agrees that 'Christianity' is inherently racist and the preserve of those who can 'afford' to "move on".'"
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| Quote ="Cronus"I can only assume you're avoiding answering the really clearly stated question.
Possibly because you know the answer doesn't fit the left's justification for their blinkered and weak subjugation to the BLM movement.'"
Are you asking for a consistent position or a coherent and detailed plan?
As I understand it, these are not required nowadays if you have an impactful three word slogan.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Are you asking for a consistent position or a coherent and detailed plan?
As I understand it, these are not required nowadays if you have an impactful three word slogan.'"
Well, frickin anything really. It's a clear question and not one of you dare give the answer.
We all know why.
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| Quote ="Cronus"I can only assume you're avoiding answering the really clearly stated question.
Possibly because you know the answer doesn't fit the left's justification for their blinkered and weak subjugation to the BLM movement.'"
Lets start with proper equal rights and equal treatment under the law, as it should be for EVERY citizen of the UK.
However, you know this isn't going to happen any time soon.
Our illustrious leader wouldn't know "equal" if it slapped each side of his many faces, at the same time, with equal force, so, how the hell are those at the bottom of the pile, regardless of race, creed or colour, going to receive EQUAL treatment.
Your earlier attempt to gain a rise, regarding you "find me an advert which...…………." was far from successful.
And, while we're at it, the self named "nasty" party, will be back to slashing the benefits of the disabled community, once we start to get through the Coronavirus pandemic.
For me, it's all pretty simple, in that, we should all be treated equally and you know that we're damn well not.
The Tory government charged a 3rd party company with slashing the benefits bill and driven by hefty bonuses, they were happy to leave those on disability payments with nothing.
How anyone can EVER justify voting for the Tories is utterly beyond me.
You may not have had or witnessed these things, I've no idea but, I have so, jog on.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Lets start with proper equal rights and equal treatment under the law, as it should be for EVERY citizen of the UK.
However, you know this isn't going to happen any time soon.
Our illustrious leader wouldn't know "equal" if it slapped each side of his many faces, at the same time, with equal force, so, how the hell are those at the bottom of the pile, regardless of race, creed or colour, going to receive EQUAL treatment.
Your earlier attempt to gain a rise, regarding you "find me an advert which...…………." was far from successful.
And, while we're at it, the self named "nasty" party, will be back to slashing the benefits of the disabled community, once we start to get through the Coronavirus pandemic.
For me, it's all pretty simple, in that, we should all be treated equally and you know that we're damn well not.
The Tory government charged a 3rd party company with slashing the benefits bill and driven by hefty bonuses, they were happy to leave those on disability payments with nothing.
How anyone can EVER justify voting for the Tories is utterly beyond me.
You may not have had or witnessed these things, I've no idea but, I have so, jog on.
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a lot of things are beyond you, just be glad that you don't need an IQ test to access the Internet...
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| Quote ="Cronus"Well, frickin anything really. It's a clear question and not one of you dare give the answer.
We all know why.'"
Because the first rule of rhetoric is to be the one attacking and asking the questions? True that.
There’ll be a diversity of opinion and priorities. Imo, for what little it is worth, the key thing will be, and where I think they’re having success, is in changing attitudes and giving the issues prominence. In terms of change from the top, Johnson doesn’t want to do anything (understandably, politically, in polarised Britain) and even if he did, he doesn’t have the competency to deliver.
My turn to throw out a question to be ignored. We got the old saw about the ‘experiment of multiculturism’ a page or two back. Anybody want to have a crack at telling what me fits within the legitimate and natural monoculture of Britain or England - what is most intrinsic to it and where the line is?
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There’ll be a diversity of opinion and priorities. Imo, for what little it is worth, the key thing will be, and where I think they’re having success, is in changing attitudes and giving the issues prominence. In terms of change from the top, Johnson doesn’t want to do anything (understandably, politically, in polarised Britain) and even if he did, he doesn’t have the competency to deliver.
My turn to throw out a question to be ignored. We got the old saw about the ‘experiment of multiculturism’ a page or two back. Anybody want to have a crack at telling what me fits within the legitimate and natural monoculture of Britain or England - what is most intrinsic to it and where the line is?'"
backwardsman never replied to my question, wait your turn...!
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Lets start with proper equal rights and equal treatment under the law, as it should be for EVERY citizen of the UK.
However, you know this isn't going to happen any time soon.
Our illustrious leader wouldn't know "equal" if it slapped each side of his many faces, at the same time, with equal force, so, how the hell are those at the bottom of the pile, regardless of race, creed or colour, going to receive EQUAL treatment.
Your earlier attempt to gain a rise, regarding you "find me an advert which...…………." was far from successful.
And, while we're at it, the self named "nasty" party, will be back to slashing the benefits of the disabled community, once we start to get through the Coronavirus pandemic.
For me, it's all pretty simple, in that, we should all be treated equally and you know that we're damn well not.
The Tory government charged a 3rd party company with slashing the benefits bill and driven by hefty bonuses, they were happy to leave those on disability payments with nothing.
How anyone can EVER justify voting for the Tories is utterly beyond me.
You may not have had or witnessed these things, I've no idea but, I have so, jog on.
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Maybe people vote Tory because of the mess labour got the country in to? Or because they like the Jewish population? Or maybe because they don’t like terrorists? Take your pick really
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I think you will find the format of this site is the exchange of views and opinions ,mostly enjoyable. However your stock in trade seems to avoid any meaningful discussions and insult people on a regular basis. There wasn’t much point in replying as you ignored my main points and went off on a tangent banging on about infidels and pixie in the sky. None of which I had mentioned or implied, you then for some bizarre reason posted a link to a religious web site.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"I think you will find the format of this site is the exchange of views and opinions ,mostly enjoyable. However your stock in trade seems to avoid any meaningful discussions and insult people on a regular basis. There wasn’t much point in replying as you ignored my main points and went off on a tangent banging on about infidels and pixie in the sky. None of which I had mentioned or implied, you then for some bizarre reason posted a link to a religious web site.'"
You commented that Christianity had brought peace to the Middle East, that I should read Lawrence of Arabia, my comments were wholly in context as a direct rebuttal of your assertion about Christianity and Peace...
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| Quote ="IR80"You commented that Christianity had brought peace to the Middle East, that I should read Lawrence of Arabia, my comments were wholly in context as a direct rebuttal of your assertion about Christianity and Peace...'"
Once again you either misread or deliberately ignore my posting. Regarding the Iraq Christianity, I merely stated the fact that after the Iraq war the Christians that we’re allowed to live in relative peace were persecuted and a large section killed. I passed no comment on as to Christianity bringing peace or anything else to the Middle East .
I find the Middle East a fascinating and interesting area of the world, sadly I have only managed to visit 3 Middle East countries. I was undertaking the long and arduous process of obtaining a solo visa for Iran when the coronavirus halted that. The plan was to cross into Iran from Turkey and travel by public transport across Iran.
My wife has accompanied me on two trips, understandably she is reluctant to go with me to Iran. She did however venture forth with me travelling around Israel by public transportation.Very enjoyable and enlightening. The buses are pretty cheap and comfortable, with the added excitement of The odd army armed checkpoints.
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| Trying to get the theme back on track. If half the stuff in The John Bolton book is true then the orange One is gone. The most astounding charge is trump was Unaware we had nuclear weapons. Seems a bit far fetched ,but with trump who knows, can’t see him going without kicking up a fuss. So we may be in for some entertaining times.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"My turn to throw out a question to be ignored. We got the old saw about the ‘experiment of multiculturism’ a page or two back. Anybody want to have a crack at telling what me fits within the legitimate and natural monoculture of Britain or England - what is most intrinsic to it and where the line is?'"
I think that's the first time I've ever seen a well worded, direct question on the matter. I've heard all my life that multiculturalism is 'eroding my way of life', but I'm at a loss as to what it's supposed to be erroding. I can still do all the same things and go to all of the places I used to go as a kid. I've lived/studied/worked in towns, cities, and a semi-rural village, and I've never seen immigrants campaigning for pubs to be shut, blocking public footpaths in the hills, or protesting against the barbarity of rugby league. I've been employed since leaving uni, and never had an immigrant trying to steal my job. I've had plenty of issues with the native Brits, though, and the governments have done some pretty crap things! I also want someone to tell me what part of my life is being eroded by multiculturalism...
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Once again you either misread or deliberately ignore my posting. Regarding the Iraq Christianity, I merely stated the fact that after the Iraq war the Christians that we’re allowed to live in relative peace were persecuted and a large section killed. I passed no comment on as to Christianity bringing peace or anything else to the Middle East .
I find the Middle East a fascinating and interesting area of the world, sadly I have only managed to visit 3 Middle East countries. I was undertaking the long and arduous process of obtaining a solo visa for Iran when the coronavirus halted that. The plan was to cross into Iran from Turkey and travel by public transport across Iran.
My wife has accompanied me on two trips, understandably she is reluctant to go with me to Iran. She did however venture forth with me travelling around Israel by public transportation.Very enjoyable and enlightening. The buses are pretty cheap and comfortable, with the added excitement of The odd army armed checkpoints.'"
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| Like King St I have never encountered an ethnic blocking my passage to success but neither have I blocked the chance of an ethnic to succeed. They have the same access to state education as the rest of us - the NHS works for them equally as it works for us and even Covid doesn't impact all but those from South Asia any more. This is a two way thing!!
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I think that's the first time I've ever seen a well worded, direct question on the matter. I've heard all my life that multiculturalism is 'eroding my way of life', but I'm at a loss as to what it's supposed to be erroding. I can still do all the same things and go to all of the places I used to go as a kid. I've lived/studied/worked in towns, cities, and a semi-rural village, and I've never seen immigrants campaigning for pubs to be shut, blocking public footpaths in the hills, or protesting against the barbarity of rugby league. I've been employed since leaving uni, and never had an immigrant trying to steal my job. I've had plenty of issues with the native Brits, though, and the governments have done some pretty crap things! I also want someone to tell me what part of my life is being eroded by multiculturalism...'"
The answer would be none of your life is eroded by multiculturalism, you are fine and dandy, best of luck to you. However you may like to check out things in Sheffield, various articles, the guardian, Sheffield star and bcc web site. All regarding fights, riots, feuds between Pakistani,Roma gyspsy and Somalia immigrants. Not certain some of your fellow countrymen are enamoured with the multiculturalism in that area.
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Yup, Backwardsman, racist and xenophobe.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I think that's the first time I've ever seen a well worded, direct question on the matter. I've heard all my life that multiculturalism is 'eroding my way of life', but I'm at a loss as to what it's supposed to be erroding. I can still do all the same things and go to all of the places I used to go as a kid. I've lived/studied/worked in towns, cities, and a semi-rural village, and I've never seen immigrants campaigning for pubs to be shut, blocking public footpaths in the hills, or protesting against the barbarity of rugby league. I've been employed since leaving uni, and never had an immigrant trying to steal my job. I've had plenty of issues with the native Brits, though, and the governments have done some pretty crap things! I also want someone to tell me what part of my life is being eroded by multiculturalism...'"
I think there’s maybe a element of ‘multiculturalism’ just being a euphemism. Like the USSR using ‘cosmopolitan’ when purging Jews in the late 40s... in principle, at least.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"The answer would be none of your life is eroded by multiculturalism, you are fine and dandy, best of luck to you. However you may like to check out things in Sheffield, various articles, the guardian, Sheffield star and bcc web site. All regarding fights, riots, feuds between Pakistani,Roma gyspsy and Somalia immigrants. Not certain some of your fellow countrymen are enamoured with the multiculturalism in that area.'"
There is a point to be discussed about inter-community tensions and even violence. However, what would be the terms of that of that discussion? When did the experiment in multiculturism in these islands begin? With the arrival of the Celtic or Roman or Germanic or Norman or Viking cultures? In terms of inter-community violence, would we include the 1190 massacre of the Jews in York? Violence between Protestants and Catholics from Tudor times onwards?
How would we define historical attempts to end the experiment? Such as the Edict of Expulsion in 1290, with Jews banned from England until well-known liberal snowflake Oliver Cromwell permitted their return in 1657. If we wanted and were able to end multiculturism in this country now, what would we have to remove to achieve cultural purity?
How do we define the multicultural experiments of British colonialism and modern countries such as the US and Australia? As cautionary tales of existing cultures being eroded or destroyed or as successful experiments that built strong democratic societies?
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