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| Quote ="wotsupcas"You really don't know? It's how the American system works. A similar system that gave ukip 4 seats in 2010(i think) for 4 million votes and the snp 50 odd seats for just over 2 million. But win it he did under the USA rules.'"
It's quite ironic the best voting system is for MEP's.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"It's quite ironic the best voting system is for MEP's.'"
Depends if you like hung parliaments which is what we would have ad infinitum. I mean it's not exactly working at the moment is it? Permanent indecision and procrastination
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Depends if you like hung parliaments which is what we would have ad infinitum. I mean it's not exactly working at the moment is it? Permanent indecision and procrastination'"
But it wouldn’t be if we adopted the same system we use for European Parliament. More representative to voting percentage.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"But it wouldn’t be if we adopted the same system we use for European Parliament. More representative to voting percentage.'"
But you would need 51% of the vote to have control. Like I said permanent hung parliaments.
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"But you would need 51% of the vote to have control. Like I said permanent hung parliaments.'"
And that hasn't happened since the 1930's
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| Quote ="tigertot"Yet you admire Trump for being the worst case of this. A right wing hypocrite; who'd have thunk it.'"
I admire the fact that he’s trying to do what he said he would, he was voted in and every man and his dog are doing everything they can to bring him down. I also admire his resilience. But the man is a ruthless businessman, he’s sell us down the river to better his own country and his environmental stance is shocking, I dislike this.
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| I can find nothing to admire, even grudgingly, about Trump; he's a failed businessman who has been bankrupt multiple times - and even managed to lose money on a casino; he's politically dumb, thin-skinned, mean-spirited and a racist misogynist, with no respect for anyone other than the Fox News stenographers who say nice things about him. A despicable individual, and it shames us that he was given a state visit.
I can only hope that he's impeached, and that the US recovers from his presidency; although like Brexit here, he has managed to divide the nation, and that will take a lot of fixing.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I can find nothing to admire, even grudgingly, about Trump; he's a failed businessman who has been bankrupt multiple times - and even managed to lose money on a casino; he's politically dumb, thin-skinned, mean-spirited and a racist misogynist, with no respect for anyone other than the Fox News stenographers who say nice things about him. A despicable individual, and it shames us that he was given a state visit.
I can only hope that he's impeached, and that the US recovers from his presidency; although like Brexit here, he has managed to divide the nation, and that will take a lot of fixing.'"
There is no doubt that trump is a flawed human being - aren't we all. However he does appear to attempt to do what he said he would. Unlike our own robotic career politicians whose opinions seem to depend on the latest social media virtue signal. All businessmen fail at some point before they get it right so he's not on his own in that respect.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I can find nothing to admire, even grudgingly, about Trump; he's a failed businessman who has been bankrupt multiple times - and even managed to lose money on a casino; he's politically dumb, thin-skinned, mean-spirited and a racist misogynist, with no respect for anyone other than the Fox News stenographers who say nice things about him. A despicable individual, and it shames us that he was given a state visit.
I can only hope that he's impeached, and that the US recovers from his presidency; although like Brexit here, he has managed to divide the nation, and that will take a lot of fixing.'"
There is no doubt that trump is a flawed human being - aren't we all. However he does appear to attempt to do what he said he would. Unlike our own robotic career politicians whose opinions seem to depend on the latest social media virtue signal. All businessmen fail at some point before they get it right so he's not on his own in that respect.
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"There is no doubt that trump is a flawed human being - aren't we all. However he does appear to attempt to do what he said he would. Unlike our own robotic career politicians whose opinions seem to depend on the latest social media virtue signal. All businessmen fail at some point before they get it right so he's not on his own in that respect.'"
Adolf Hittler was also a politician who did what he said he was going to
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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Adolf Hittler was also a politician who did what he said he was going to'"
Really really poor. Whatever you think of trump I don't think he has exterminated 6 million Jews. Are you the type of idiot that screams FASCIST at everyone that offers a different opinion?
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Really really poor. Whatever you think of trump I don't think he has exterminated 6 million Jews. Are you the type of idiot that screams FASCIST at everyone that offers a different opinion?'"
Well done for missing the point of my post. Typical right wing edl idiot.
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| We all have flaws but some flaws are bigger than others and can't be just casually dismissed.
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"There is no doubt that trump is a flawed human being - aren't we all. However he does appear to attempt to do what he said he would.'"
Yes, we're all flawed; I often have a chuckle at the times I've sexually assaulted young women, mocked disabled people, tried to ban brown people from entering my country and imprisoned children in cages separated from their parents. Nobody is perfect, right?!
He does indeed attempt to do what he said he would - but repeatedly fails; I don't find that in any way admirable.
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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Adolf Hittler was also a politician who did what he said he was going to'"
Well done Ruune Rebellion, that’s Godwins Law in action, of all the people on the board I knew it would be you
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"There is no doubt that trump is a flawed human being - aren't we all. However he does appear to attempt to do what he said he would. Unlike our own robotic career politicians whose opinions seem to depend on the latest social media virtue signal. All businessmen fail at some point before they get it right so he's not on his own in that respect.'"
True. They must prefer politically correct, bland career politicians who knew create knee jerk policies based on emotion and the latest social justice issue.
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"There is no doubt that trump is a flawed human being - aren't we all. However he does appear to attempt to do what he said he would. Unlike our own robotic career politicians whose opinions seem to depend on the latest social media virtue signal. All businessmen fail at some point before they get it right so he's not on his own in that respect.[/qu
Being Racist, sexist and homophobic are fairly hefty flaws, dont you think ?
Even if you ignore these fundamental flaws, Trump has grown the US ecconomy based on eye watering levels of borrowing and it's just possible that your new favourite politician could have set the world on it's way to the next recession.
Remember it was toxic debt from the US that led to the financial meltdown just over a decade ago.
Another crash like that will make Brexit look like a stroll in the park
I hope that you and Donald will be very happy together
but, the new messiah, he most definitely is not.
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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Well done for missing the point of my post. Typical right wing edl idiot.'"
Ah so any debate is to descend into name calling. What is your point then, please explain. You were comparing trump to Hitler which even given trumps shortcomings is a bit of a stretch. I am indeed right of centre but certainly not far right or involved with anything as sinister as the edl
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He is not a favourite of mine and I do not think he is the messiah. Trump is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but nor is he the devil incarnate. Just trying to provide a balanced debate rather pandering to the hysterical virtue signalling.
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"
So why would you think the american people rejected him and his policies by three million votes in the “democratic election “
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"
Who's pandering ?
Trump is a guy with some iffy right wing views.
Everyone should be concerned when the "leader of the Western World" holds those views.
Of course, some people like that he's happy to offend minority groups but, should any leader of any country be trying to set it's own people against each other ?
A good leader just doesn't do that and he's only able to be "successful" with those views because of the downturn that was caused by the economic collapse 10 years ago, which has left huge swathes of people financially worse off, which in the States is a huge problem as they dont have the type of welfare state that we "enjoy" over here.
Therefore, IF a leader blames the county's difficulties on "immigrants", "everyone" has someone to despise.
Thankfully, decent people are able to recognise that the problems go a little deeper.
This is a guy who believed, that to prevent mass shootings in schools, that teachers should be armed in the classroom
Successful businessman, yes, but, leader of such an important nation ? no thanks.
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Nope not at all.
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Nope not at all.'"
How can you possibly deny that?
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Ridiculous thing to say, almost the same left wing tripe roled out by the guardian about the Portsmouth election saying ‘The Brexit Party’ were rejected by the people of Portsmouth. Funny that they only lost by a couple of hundred votes, how can they say rejected?
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| Whilst we have a topic of a racist, fascist right wing idiot, it was good to see Tommy Robinson reverting to type last night. I bet Post couldn’t hide his excitement!
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