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| Quote ="Cronus"Yes, picking a corner next to the memorial was a stupid and highly disrespectful, but hardly the worst offence in the last week. I'd give that to the chap with the knife who slashed at a man's throat. Or the lad who attempted to commit arson at the Cenotaph? Or the pack of ferals who set upon an isolated man. Or the huge chap who king-hit someone and knocked him out cold.
Ah...but their skin colour doesn't fit your narrative so some idiot full of lager taking a leak in a corner next to a memorial gets the airtime.
Similarly, the media narrative has been interesting. We've seen 2 sets of thugs over the last week. One lot have run riot across the country all week damaging public property, attacked and injured large numbers of police in London with impunity and caused large-scale scenes of violence including random attacks on whites. The other lot (far fewer in number) exchanged blows with a police in riot armour, displayed some truly vile behaviour, and one had a p*ss against a wall. We've seen no reporting at all of the veterans marches or of 'normal' people yesterday, which included plenty of black faces.
So, guess which group are labelled 'racist thugs', while others are 'largely peaceful'. It's THIS sort of narrative that divides. I fully support the end of racism. The racism of the far right is disgusting. But I will not support Black Lives Matter.
On that note, WTF are police commanders doing? They send pitiful numbers out against BLM in...erm, cloth caps, obviously outnumbered and overwhelmed in no time. They then sent out fully-equipped riot police yesterday with barricades in place. Are we seeing fear of the accusation of racism raising its ugly head again? Because that went well last time.
And tell me, what exactly do BLM want? We have extremely robust anti-racism laws in this country and for the vast majority race simply is not an issue. We have quotas in the workplace. Yes, there are issues around education and poverty - but is that racist? Really? Police deaths? Give me a break.
The BLM UK donation site states their aims are to [i"dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world"[/i. I've heard BLM members talk of dismantling the police, killing all whites, etc, etc. And country is bowing down to this. The Premier League is about to promote this. Feck me, has coronavirus resulted in some collective lunacy?
BLM ignore a lot of facts. The fact blacks kill other blacks in massively higher numbers than whites - including police - do. Even the numbers around police killings in the US don't support them - for example, if you're arrested and resist you're more likely to be killed if you're white. Ignored. They ignore the higher crime rates among the black community that obviously lead to proportionately higher interaction with the police and prison populations. But this is all down to racism, apparently.
If you're taking a knee for this lot you might just be committing yourself to a cause you night not actually want to support.'"
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"You have no idea how i voted or even if I voted. My political colours , not that I have any, has no bearing on my views as to the hypocrisy of the so called black live matter movement. Try checking out if black lives matter in a typical Chicago weekend, you may also consider the several deaths and injuries visited on the yellow jackets protesters in France by the barbaric French police. As to the white chattering class that’s supporting this movement, they may want to consider the old saying that a conservative is a liberal that’s been mugged.'"
Did I mention voting?
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| Quote ="Cronus"Nope, but you can beat a BLM rioter.
Funny times. The SNP bent over to BLM and even tacitly approved of the attacks on the Churchill monument.
BLM have today defiled the Robert the Bruce monument with '[iracist king...black lives matter[/i'. I can almost smell the confusion coming from Holyrood.
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Petal,
How about we put a statue of Jimmy Saville in your front garden.
Of course for his charity work, not his paedophillia.
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| Quote ="Superblue"Can you provide evidence they didn’t?
I think not.
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Ive already stated "I don’t know what party they voted for or even if they voted at all,or if they were all eligible to vote"
So bit of a silly question.
However I'm not the one thats made the comment that they all voted Tory,so the onus is on the poster to provide evidence to support,which we all know no one on here can provide.
I will agree most of them are racist thugs intent on nothing else but causing trouble and unfortunately the current situation has given the majority of these people just the platform they were craving.
What i find ironic is that the very same people that are screaming about injustice on here,are then quite content to make accusations with no evidence to support.
The poster has a track record of posting generalised comments,that are not designed to promote debate,simply to antagonise,i recall one of his more recent posts on the Wakefield board in reference to coronavirus "All Tory voters have blood on their hands"
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| Quote ="Superblue"Petal,
How about we put a statue of Jimmy Saville in your front garden.
Of course for his charity work, not his paedophillia.'"
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Have you done a study on the shoes worn or just using stereotypes. I note that you like your hero Johnson have not answered any of my previous questions.'"
Do you own a smartphone? Look who have mined some of the materials for it.
I will give you a tip. They are black and don’t get paid.
The left. Biggest hypocrites in the world lmao
Post on a forum about slavery, from a phone only available due to slavery.
This is why the left are just so utterly embarassing lol
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| Quote ="Cronus"Ah bless, the gullible little patsy has bought into the hysteria.
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| Quote ="Superblue"Oh you already got one Petal
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Shouldn't you be ferociously campaigning against the Coco Pops monkey you poor gullible sap?
[size=60Yes it's actually happening.[/size
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| Quote ="Cronus"Shouldn't you be ferociously campaigning against the Coco Pops monkey you poor gullible sap?
[size=60Yes it's actually happening.[/size'"
You got a statue of that as well have you Petal
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Ive already stated "I don’t know what party they voted for or even if they voted at all,or if they were all eligible to vote"
So bit of a silly question.
However I'm not the one thats made the comment that they all voted Tory,so the onus is on the poster to provide evidence to support,which we all know no one on here can provide.
I will agree most of them are racist thugs intent on nothing else but causing trouble and unfortunately the current situation has given the majority of these people just the platform they were craving.
What i find ironic is that the very same people that are screaming about injustice on here,are then quite content to make accusations with no evidence to support.
The poster has a track record of posting generalised comments,that are not designed to promote debate,simply to antagonise,i recall one of his more recent posts on the Wakefield board in reference to coronavirus "All Tory voters have blood on their hands"'"
But the posters have provided the evidence as they see it, and form their views with.
Just because their standards for evidence arn’t as high as your standards for evidence doesn’t invalidate their conclusions, or are you saying it does?
I take the same view, the balance of evidence indicates these right wing fascist yobs were originally Tory voters who switched to Brexit voters, and then back to Boris to get Brexit done. Lol
You think they are violent racist thugs now, wait till they realise there is nothing in Brexit for them.
Knuckle dragging is going to a whole new level, the new normal, lol
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| Quote ="Superblue"You got a statue of that as well have you Petal
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Nah, no point. You and the other wide-eyed suckers would only try to pull it down.
They went for Sir Robert Peel the other day. It was the wrong feckin Peel.
Looks like BLM in Aus are after that brand of cheese named after Edward Coon. Bet you're right on board with that ain'tcha. Cancel cheese!
Have you met Churchill?
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What about those nasty BLM supporters who saved the far right supporter from a further beating. I doubt it would have been the same in reverse just ask the Lawrence family.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Nah, no point. You and the other wide-eyed suckers would only try to pull it down.
They went for Sir Robert Peel the other day. It was the wrong feckin Peel.
Looks like BLM in Aus are after that brand of cheese named after Edward Coon. Bet you're right on board with that ain'tcha. Cancel cheese!
Have you met Churchill?
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So it’s just the statue of Jimmy Saville then Petal
For his charity work of course, not his paedophillia.
Which Police memorials you got lined up today then
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"On your point about robust laws, ensuring equal rights etc.
Are these the same type of laws that we have for equal equality for women ?
You know equal pay and equal opportunities etc ?
We all know that the laws are in place but, how effective are they in practice.
If you believe that these laws are so robust, how on earth are public bodies like the BBC in so much strife with equal pay claims against them.
You know as well as I do that if companies dont want to employ certain people, they wont employ them. End of.'"
Because for the most, pay has been based on experience, public profile, ability to draw and retain an audience, etc. Or do you suggest David Attenborough should be paid the same as Liz Bonnin? Go and find me a job listing that specifies £x for males, £x for females. You can't. Many multivariate analyses of the gender pay gap have demonstrated that when you take ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING into account, women are not generally paid less than men, or any difference is minimal.
Anyway, it's a false equivalence to the question of race. Answer me - what do BLM actually want to change here in the UK? There's a load of bluster about dismantling the police, imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and 'racist' state structures. But let's get real and think about what they actually want? More quotas? Jobs handed over? Big houses handed over? Cheaper car insurance?
I agree police interaction with blacks is too high and festers a feeling of anger. But - as much as BLM and the media would like us to, we can't ignore crime rates and other facts. Who are the biggest perpetrators (and victims) of knife crime in London? Which section of society commits a higher rate of crime? Yes let's look at the reasons for this - poverty, etc - but are they any different to poor white communities in this regard?
Racism exists in the UK, of course. That doesn't make the UK racist. Yes it should be eliminated but that comes down to changing minds, not quotas, and not by tearing down the structure of society. You cannot force a mind to change.
The police certainly aren't slaughtering blacks in the UK (that's actually down to other blacks), except knife-wielding terrorists if they happen to be black. Christ, even in the US you're more likely to be killed by the police if you're white and resist arrest. None of this matters - BLM are shouting the loudest at the moment. We are seeing the biggest race card in history being played and you're all (literally) kneeling in fear.
BTW, if you support BLM go and find the Gary McFarlane interview (leader of BLM UK). You want this loon anywhere near policy making in the UK??
And then enjoy the BLM pastor commenting on the Churchill statue who stated, [i "I haven't personally met him, but..."[/i
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| Look at the irrelevant posters trying get a rise - give it up chaps, you're not good enough.
Toddle off now and worship your new idol Patrick Hutchinson, while - like good unquestioning saps - not questioning why was he wearing kevlar tactical knuckle gloves (conveniently edited out of pretty much every media pic), and why he and his gang were all kitted out for a scrap?
Ask yourselves why a bloke having a pss in a corner gets 2 weeks in jail and a BLM girl who assaults 3 police officers gets a small fine and suspended sentence, why we've seem several examples of packs of feral BLM attacking lone whites, even slashing at someone's throat - yet a stupid fat drunk white man taking a pss gets all the headlines.
Then reverse the skin colours in all of the above and imagine the outcry.
You've been fed the anti-UK, anti-white, far left feckin uber liberal agenda for so long you're finally as blinkered and stupid as we've always poked in jest.
The left never learn. They think by accusing everyone else of a crime (in this case racism), by condemning, vilifying and hurling abuse at all & sundry, by aiming all this hate at anyone who disagrees, they will get their way. A decade of abject failure at the ballot box should tell you otherwise. Bye bye now.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Since Sanders' support level is about 30% then nobody is denying him anything other than the majority of voters. His strategy was always to win in a heavily splintered field. That has cleared now and he consequently has no chance.'"
Not so much about vote % 99, but more about winning primaries and caucuses in states with differing backgrounds where all candidates have differing levels of support.
To win a candidate ultimately needs endorsements from lapsed candidates, and their associated “block vote”.
Also you need to remember that Bernie is an Independent Senator, not part of the Establishment Democrat Party.
Once Bernie got winning, the Democrats Establishment came together, just as they did with Hillary, and backed “.their man”
So now that Joe Biden has the Delegates to be Democratic candidate nomination for President, assuming Bloomberg doesn’t buy it at a brokered convention, the massive question is who does he choose for running mate?
He already said he will choose a woman, the right choice could get him the Whitehouse.
Kamala Harris, Val Demings, Elizabeth Warren , are mentioned, or maybe someone from left field.
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| Quote ="Superblue"Did I mention voting?
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Answer once again, I didn’t vote for the Conservative party, I don’t support the Conservative party, have no links with the Conservative party. Chiefly because the dying embers of the Conservative party was cheerfully Extinguished by David Cameron. I gave up on the so called politicians of this country year’s ago, having witnessed the Iraq war which has distablised the Middle East. One of the results which was the elimination of centuries of Christianity. Not content with that we attacked Libya, that country is now in turmoil. Most of the problems in the Middle East stems from these two outrageous acts of war. Finally the most disgraceful act of modern day politicians was the encouragement of mass immigration. The encouragement of multiculturalism has divided and split this country. The British population was never asked about or consulted about this disastrous social experiment. So that’s the Main reason I am unable to vote for Any of today’s lack lustre and woefully pig ignorant so called politicians. Let’s also not forget the laying waste to the north of England by the north London metropolitan elite. They politicians just to confirm how stupid they are ,were shocked at the working man voting for Brexit. It never occurred to them that if you ignore or treat vast swathes of the working population with distain or contempt ,there will be payback time.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Because for the most, pay has been based on experience, public profile, ability to draw and retain an audience, etc. Or do you suggest David Attenborough should be paid the same as Liz Bonnin? Go and find me a job listing that specifies £x for males, £x for females. You can't. Many multivariate analyses of the gender pay gap have demonstrated that when you take ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING into account, women are not generally paid less than men, or any difference is minimal.
Anyway, it's a false equivalence to the question of race. Answer me - what do BLM actually want to change here in the UK? There's a load of bluster about dismantling the police, imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and 'racist' state structures. But let's get real and think about what they actually want? More quotas? Jobs handed over? Big houses handed over? Cheaper car insurance?
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Your first paragraph here including "find me a job listing that specifies £x for males, £x for females", you know, as well as I do, that this description would be illegal - next up, you'll be asking me to find you a left handed screwdriver or a "long stand".
Are you seriously suggesting that equal pay is actually equal, accross all sectors and that female employees are not exploited ?? - I'll accept that things are massively better now than they were 50 years ago but...…………
And it's largely the same for BAME (I hate the acronym) employees, although it can be difficult also for "white" people looking for work in the opposite direction.
I've no idea what this was about: "More quotas? Jobs handed over? Big houses handed over? Cheaper car insurance?" maybe you can explain ?
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Answer once again, I didn’t vote for the Conservative party, I don’t support the Conservative party, have no links with the Conservative party. Chiefly because the dying embers of the Conservative party was cheerfully Extinguished by David Cameron. I gave up on the so called politicians of this country year’s ago, having witnessed the Iraq war which has distablised the Middle East. One of the results which was the elimination of centuries of Christianity. Not content with that we attacked Libya, that country is now in turmoil. Most of the problems in the Middle East stems from these two outrageous acts of war. Finally the most disgraceful act of modern day politicians was the encouragement of mass immigration. The encouragement of multiculturalism has divided and split this country. The British population was never asked about or consulted about this disastrous social experiment. So that’s the Main reason I am unable to vote for Any of today’s lack lustre and woefully pig ignorant so called politicians. Let’s also not forget the laying waste to the north of England by the north London metropolitan elite. They politicians just to confirm how stupid they are ,were shocked at the working man voting for Brexit. It never occurred to them that if you ignore or treat vast swathes of the working population with distain or contempt ,there will be payback time.'"
Wow, I didn't think such xenophobic racist fairy story "Christians" still existed, Alf Garnet is a moderate compared to you. Embarassed to share a planet with you.
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| Quote ="IR80"Wow, I didn't think such xenophobic racist fairy story "Christians" still existed, Alf Garnet is a moderate compared to you. Embarassed to share a planet with you.'"
You may want to checkout the history of Christians living peacefully in Iraq, after the war they have been Killed and driven out of Iraq by the various factions that emerged from the aftermath of that debacle. Not certain why you should consider pointing out a passage of history to be xenophobic.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"You may want to checkout the history of Christians living peacefully in Iraq, after the war they have been Killed and driven out of Iraq by the various factions that emerged from the aftermath of that debacle. Not certain why you should consider pointing out a passage of history to be xenophobic.'"
Are you REALLY equating Christianity and peace?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Your first paragraph here including "find me a job listing that specifies £x for males, £x for females", you know, as well as I do, that this description would be illegal - next up, you'll be asking me to find you a left handed screwdriver or a "long stand".
Are you seriously suggesting that equal pay is actually equal, accross all sectors and that female employees are not exploited ?? - I'll accept that things are massively better now than they were 50 years ago but...…………
And it's largely the same for BAME (I hate the acronym) employees, although it can be difficult also for "white" people looking for work in the opposite direction.
I've no idea what this was about: "More quotas? Jobs handed over? Big houses handed over? Cheaper car insurance?" maybe you can explain ?'"
I think it's a very simple question. Read it again.
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Try reading 7 pillars of wisdom by T. E. Lawrence, yes that’s right Lawrence of Arabia. When the Iraq conflict was underway a British army officer gave this book to his American counterpart. He was astounded as to the contents of this book. As for equating Christianity and peace, I merely pointed out the carnage in Iraq brought about by us. Read what you want into that. I am certain you are familiar with the law of cause and affect. The ripples from the Libyan war have ended up on the shores of Europe through the passage of migrants through Libya. You may want to look back at Britain’s involvement in Iran, overthrowing governments for instance. If you can take some of that onboard you may get some insight as to the devastation we have caused in the Middle East. I am as proud as anybody as to being British, but regretfully our foreign policy in the Middle East has been deeply shameful and disruptive.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Try reading 7 pillars of wisdom by T. E. Lawrence, yes that’s right Lawrence of Arabia. When the Iraq conflict was underway a British army officer gave this book to his American counterpart. He was astounded as to the contents of this book. As for equating Christianity and peace, I merely pointed out the carnage in Iraq brought about by us. Read what you want into that. I am certain you are familiar with the law of cause and affect. The ripples from the Libyan war have ended up on the shores of Europe through the passage of migrants through Libya. You may want to look back at Britain’s involvement in Iran, overthrowing governments for instance. If you can take some of that onboard you may get some insight as to the devastation we have caused in the Middle East. I am as proud as anybody as to being British, but regretfully our foreign policy in the Middle East has been deeply shameful and disruptive.'"
You have a very selective way of reading/understanding literature, LoA is widely regarded as a very racist colonial work, for you to then make a comment about mass immigration being wrong suggests you believe that everyone should worship the sky pixie and believe all Middle Easterns are actually the infidels?
Way off topic, sad to know that people still believe the myths and legends of religion are some route to a kind of salvation.
[url=https://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/15043228A34AEAC880256F1E0015E2C9RACIAL, TRIBAL AND ETHNIC CONFLICT IN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY[/url Even the SA agrees that 'Christianity' is inherently racist and the preserve of those who can 'afford' to "move on".
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I can only assume that you are paraphrasing, for effect ?
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