There you go again - passing off the bumbling incompetence of *certain* types of politicians, but taking issue with Diane Abbott, because she misspoke some numbers on a live TV interview after an all nighter during the GE.

How about:

Dominic Raab, saying that he hadn't realised how important the Dover-Calais crossing was for trade?
David Davis, saying that a trade deal with the EU would be the easiest in history?
JRM - saying in the HoP that the best response to a close result would a 2nd referendum, then denying it?
Jeremy Hunt - the most hated health secretary in history, accidentally forgetting to declare that he made a fortune from buying houses off a Tory donor?
Boris Johnson - garden bridge, water cannons, arranging to have a journo beaten up, various racist things, etc etc ad infinitum?
Theresa May - there will be no GE; the meaningful vote will go ahead?

The list goes on - but it remains the case that Diane Abbott receives more abuse and targeted attacks than any other MP in the HoC, but it's somehow ok; I wonder why?

Dominic Raab might be able to add up, but his recent admission about the importance of Calais/Dover was astonishing. Does he not know we are an island?

Diane Abbot has been made to look foolish on numerous occasions. The main one being on sky tv answering questions on a London police report. She obviously hadn’t read the report but tried to bluff her way through which proved to be a disaster . Probably the reason she receives a lot of abuse is whenever she publicly fails she always plays the race card. Likewise with lammy. Before anybody accuses me of bias I think the Tory party also has its share of incompetents. Politics is one of the few professions in which you don’t have to have any qualifications . A classic case being the clown who yesterday grabbed the mace. Never had a job in his life yet sits in parliament. As our American cousins would say go figure.

You can add to that 'no deal is better than a bad deal', mind you, I think that this covers 95% of Tory politicians and it's looking more and more like 'no deal' where we will end up.

Just on Abbott, it isn't just one comment on an election all nighter and whilst her constituants certainly keep on voting her back in, she's doing very well to remain in the shadow cabinet and one suspects that this is due to her loyalty to Mr Corbyn.

Wow - those uppity black folks - they should learn to just take it on the chin, right?

I see - it couldn't be because she's any good, obviously?

It could be but, she isn't great when put under pressure on the TV, although just for balance, neither is our Prime Minister

Lots of politicians flap under pressure - and yet they don't get the torrents of abuse that Diane Abbott does; why do you think that is?

I must admit to cringing at times when Abbott is on TV as I can sense the bigoted gammon masses frothing at their sets. But then i remind myself she is a black woman, born to immigrant parents who made it to Cambridge & has been elected & re-elected with 2/3 of the vote. Like Corbyn she is principally a local MP who has fought all her political life for her constituents, her beliefs & the less-privileged in society, often to her personal costs. Compare to the Tory cabinet, whose dedication to their local constituents usually extends to riding alongside the local hunt or a garden fete. Is Boris still going to lay down his life for his constituents to oppose the new runway?

Either that she regularly flounders or, we could get into racist/femminist territory but, I dont believe this to be the case here.
Personally, I cringe whenever shes on Question Time or Newsnight and this is purely on how she comes accross.
The mainstream media may have another agenda but, I certainly dont.
She comes accross as someone who's heart is in the right place but that is woefully out of her depth, just my opinion of course.

Grow some and say what you think - its not difficult.

Let's have a look at few of her other gaffs:
1. Taxi drivers not stop for black customers?
2. She voted to ban MI5 and special branch
3. She said Davao del Norte was in Indonesia when it was in Philippines
4. Spouts Socialist policies yet sent her kids to private school
5. Suggest Reker Ahmed was dead when he was alive and kicking

Corbyn's party speech about a start up in Scotland!!

Labour's list is equally as long as the Tories - these are politicians after all

Wow indeed - positive discrimination is the way forward - those whiteys how dare they point out facts about some black folks - shouldn't be allowed!!

You are unreal

Is it because she's repeatedly shown herself to be a mumbling, blithering idiot? Because she's repeatedly demonstrated racist views? Because she called on the IRA to defeat the British State? Because she consistently fails to back our police force, preferring instead that they are spat at and often have to undergo weeks of medical tests as a result? Because she was the first to criticise the hugely successful tactic of bringing down motorcycles? Because she has a history of dodgy financial dealings in Parliament (granted, she's not alone), because she's a blatant hypocrite (children's schools). And yes, because the idea that this person is so close to a Cabinet position is genuinely concerning.

I mock her because she's a fool. I detest her for her poisonous views. Got it?

But you think it's because she's black. And people wonder why the loony left are ridiculed.



BTW, I criticise and mock plenty of politicians - and have done on here for years. It says plenty about you can't help yourself but to pick out a black politician for the purposes of implying racism. You and Bullseye. And not for the first time, iirc. Perhaps when one is losing the debate one looks to more sinister accusations.

And it shows you haven't learned. For decades any criticism of immigration was shouted down as racism and xenophobia. That refusal to listen to people's genuine concerns built into a palpable anger and resentment that contributed enormously to the growth of UKIP and ultimately the Brexit vote. Indeed, only when UKIP exploded in popularity did the main parties start to even utter the word immigration. Yet here we still are, the slightest opportunity to seize on someone's colour of skin and the left draw the race card.


That's precisely what it is. May already knows the EU won't budge - she's been talking to them for months. She's calling the bluff of everyone opposing the proposed deal: if she somehow wins some of the concessions people are calling for (especially on the backstop) she may get the deal through Parliament. If she doesn't it becomes clear that Labour's ridiculous position of 'Corbyn can negotiate a better deal' is a fallacy - so what policy will they choose that week?

Westminster is all statecraft and politicking. The headline 'May seeks concessions' is partly true, but the strategy behind it is more complex. Don't be so naive.

Speak for yourself, I was very clear on the EU and my reasons for voting Leave; they haven't changed.


At the expense of throwing the country off a cliff edge? Because that's a very real possibility right now and Labour will be the party doing it, simply to increase their chances of an early shot at government. Yes, there are opponents in every party, but Labour has the numbers to make it count.

Whose the real racist who can’t see past the colour of someones skin? The person who criticises a politician or a person who in attempt to defend them looks at the politician in question physical appearance and determines the criticism MUST be because of their skin colour?

Or Hammond when he made his gaff, around the same time as Abbott, but it’s not like he needs to be trusted with numbers.

I had just left England when, in 1968, Enoch Powell kicked off an immigration debate with his so-called "Rivers of Blood" speech. I was living in London before then and immigration concerns were rapidly surfacing. The last time I voted before leaving was at a by-election in early 1965 in a 'safe' Labour seat in Leyton and contested by a guy who as a Labour candidate had been beaten in the 1964 General Election won by Labour.

At Smethwick in that 1964 GE the Conservatives ran a successful racist campaign using an extremely racist slogan. In Leyton pamphlets, posters and banners were distributed widely displaying the same slogan. A swing of over 8% gave the Conservative candidate a narrow win.

The slogan- "If you want a N*gger for a neighbour vote Labour." Labour candidate was the late Baron Patrick Gordon-Walker.

Tory MP's have triggered no confidence vote in Mrs May, Merry Christmas, Teresa.
She was only there as a caretaker but, it will be interesting which way the Tories move (probably to the right and a "harder Brexit", assuming that the current arrangements can be modified.

It looks like pandering to Mr Farages wishes, far from preventing a split in the Tories, has utterly destroyed them.
Strong and stable, strong and stable, strong and stable

Seeing the Tory party is such disarray is excellent! Long may it continue!

Back on topic, it really does look like Mrs "strong and stable" May, is determined to hang on to the last, offering to resign before the next General Election.
Part of being a good leader is knowing when your time is up but, nobody seems to have told her.
Hopefully she'll be gone by the morning BUT, the Brexit mess will remain.
Our crdibility on the world stage must be like the value of the pound, at its lowest ever value.

Thread trimmed a little. Play nicely people, no personal insults.

expect may to win the vote tonight.

farce really they wont have enough to oust her.

then back to the eu deal arrangement again before jan 21st!

Of course she'll win the vote, nobody in their right mind would want the job.

Indeed and when you look at the potential replacements Johnson, Gove etc there isn't much competition.

Having said that, she's an awful leader and is paying the price for not choosing a side, which has hacked off much of her own party and the majority of the electorate.
The phrase aboput pleaseing some people all of the time and everyone some of the time springs to mind.

Whatever happened to the Norway ++ deal that seemed to be the idea post rthe referendum result, we seem miles away.

So the three choices, realistically, are still:

No brexit, with a crisis of democratic legitimacy
No deal brexit, with significant economic dislocation
May’s deal which nobody likes

I’m increasingly ‘attracted’ to the third. If we need to unite the country, the opportunity is there to do so in a feeling of disappointment. Just get the misery over and done with. I’m sure Farage and Rees-Mogg will spend their dotages raving about betrayal, but some people want the moon on a stick - that can’t be helped.

At least our leader is chosen by the people.