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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"How many people went into hospital with other conditions - caught Covid in hospital and died?
I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.
The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.'"
I've heard estimates on the TV/Radio (GMB/BBC Radio 4) between 20 to 25% caught it on NHS hospital wards. Appreciate if anyone could share the information where this has been officially acknowledged. |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"So, what conclusions should anyone draw from your figures ?'"
They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
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So, why post them in relation to a "vaccine guinea pig" thread. Surely you have a reason or, was it a random act on your behalf ? |
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
Conclusions - that would be for an independent panel with no conflicts of interest to decide.'"
yes they are your figures as the link don't show what you've posted, clever why of getting around it |
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As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development .
What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats.
The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term
https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6
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As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development .
What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats.
The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term
https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6
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Quote ="Durham Giant"As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development .
What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats.
The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term
https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6'"
Thanks for sharing.
Yes I've read about reports on "long covid" but without hard official data it's difficult to quantify the medium to long term impact on the overall population. For those with poor health it's not going to help matters but for someone like Novak Djokovic he's still in peak fitness...
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... ur-fallout
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/56147443
[iLinks included for those that can't use Google[/i
It stands to reason all diseases, bone breakages, operations & respiratory viruses must have a negative impact on a number of people's health. Take even the Flu for example
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6
https://www.today.com/health/man-needs- ... lu-t169952
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Quote ="Durham Giant"As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development .
What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats.
The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term
https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6'"
Thanks for sharing.
Yes I've read about reports on "long covid" but without hard official data it's difficult to quantify the medium to long term impact on the overall population. For those with poor health it's not going to help matters but for someone like Novak Djokovic he's still in peak fitness...
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... ur-fallout
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/56147443
[iLinks included for those that can't use Google[/i
It stands to reason all diseases, bone breakages, operations & respiratory viruses must have a negative impact on a number of people's health. Take even the Flu for example
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6
https://www.today.com/health/man-needs- ... lu-t169952
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"So, why post them in relation to a "vaccine guinea pig" thread. Surely you have a reason or, was it a random act on your behalf ?'"
I'm here to inform by providing facts that you never hear being quoted on the BBC or Sky News. The Sin Bin can become a bit of an echo chamber at times. I'm researching the Vaccine data and will provide my findings in due time. |
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I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.
The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.'"
Squeeze healthcare budgets to the core for a decade.
Come a pandemic which you deal with utterly incompetently, exclaim fury that the system you've driven into the ground doesn't work as well as it might.
Conclusion: more cutbacks and real wage decreases for you lot. That'll learn 'em .
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Conclusion: more cutbacks and real wage decreases for you lot. That'll learn 'em .
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I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.
The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.'"
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Had my Covid jab last Friday. Had it earlier than my age group would suggest because of having Epilepsy (I'm in group 6) No idea why this is the case, but I'm very grateful anyway. Hopefully this will prevent me from catching this horrible disease. Folk a lot younger than my 57 years have sadly died from Covid-19.
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I had my first ZA vaccination on Saturday morning (34, no underlying issues), and it absolutely floored me. Hopefully the 2nd one won't be as bad.
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Had mine yesterday, had a high fever last night but a couple of ibuprofen fixed it. Didn't get much sleep but other than that I feel fine now. Second dose of AZ is better. I had the flu jab for the first time in October and it wiped me out for 4-5 days.
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I had the PFizer only side effect I had was a sore arm for a couple of days
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Had the AZ one yesterday.
Very efficient conveyor belt operating at the local surgery.
Jabbed up and shovelling concrete 20 minutes later.
Side effect-less, happily.
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Looks like Boris & Co are getting the vaccine program about right.
The UK certainly seem in better shape than most of our former friends in the EU.
Perhaps the most surprising issue, is that the delays for next month appear to be due to a batch of the "oxford" vaccine being delayed in India ??
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Yes stopped by the Indian government for their own population. It sounds the same as the EU who were heavily criticised by the government but not questioned by Johnson in respect of India probably because we wants a trade deal with them.
It would appear condemnation only stretches as far as the next trade deal when everything can be forgiven or forgotten.
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Also had the Pfizer one. Same as reported from many others - arm ached for about 2 to 3 days. At night I had to sleep on the other side because it ached to lie on it, but during the day no real problems. My Mum had the same with Pfizer.
Dad had AstraZeneca. First day afterwards no symptoms, second day he felt like he had Covid for about 12 hours and had to lie in a darkened room, then had a miraculous recovery and was right as rain. Symptoms didn't even last 24 hours but he did feel rough.
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Me dad had the Pfizer and apart from a bit of discomfort with a sore arm no other problems, me mum on the other hand had the Astra Zeneca and it completely floored her for 2 days.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Yes stopped by the Indian government for their own population. It sounds the same as the EU who were heavily criticised by the government but not questioned by Johnson in respect of India probably because we wants a trade deal with them.
It would appear condemnation only stretches as far as the next trade deal when everything can be forgiven or forgotten.'"
There's politics aplenty in all of this.
Having said that The EU seem to be making a bit of a balls of their own vaccine program, too much in fighting and not enough getting on with the job and their bickering over the AZ vaccine has clearly added to their problems. |
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Having said that The EU seem to be making a bit of a balls of their own vaccine program, too much in fighting and not enough getting on with the job and their bickering over the AZ vaccine has clearly added to their problems.'"
I don’t think it is really being run at the EU level? Individual member states may be doing poorly, and making some (imo) odd decisions, but [imostly[/i I think it is being rolled out at a national level. With some co-operation, I’m sure. But healthcare delivery is very heterogeneous across EU countries. |
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It is. But that doesn't fit with the right wing obsession with the EU, or their previous narrative that the EU was a controlling monster that over-ruled the nation states.
Painting the difficult problems various countries have faced as an EU thing therefore suits their purposes for a variety of reasons, not least that it distracts from the previously disastrous job the government had done throughout the pandemic. |
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