Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"So far 205 'official' deaths and 114,000 adverse reactions in the UK to the Astra Zenica crud https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nt__2_.pdf , given we know that these are massively under reported just like the Pfizer poison that has officially killed 197 and over 77,000 adverse reactions https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nt__1_.pdf I hope you're one of the lucky ones.'" It must be terrible leaving in a constant state of terror and paranoia.

Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"So far 205 'official' deaths and 114,000 adverse reactions in the UK to the Astra Zenica crud https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nt__2_.pdf , given we know that these are massively under reported just like the Pfizer poison that has officially killed 197 and over 77,000 adverse reactions https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... nt__1_.pdf I hope you're one of the lucky ones.'" It must be terrible leaving in a constant state of terror and paranoia.

He won't have an answer. These people just latch onto whatever is in the news. When we reach the end of the tunnel he'll move on to the next conspiracy theory, probably something from the US. Joe Biden's secret plot to enforce Communism on the state of Idaho, something like that.

You are now banned sine die. 48756c6c20 524c4643 Sick of your stupidity and misleading posts. Do you even know what it is you have posted. 20 million people have been inoculated/ within 2 weeks of getting the inoculation 111 people died. Without post-mortems etc you do not know why they died. But if 4 million old people get an injection you would expect some of them to die. There is no direct correlation between the stats you are providing and the vaccine https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x It is explained there . But regardless you are banned you are post misleading stuff without having one ing idea on what you are posting trying to mislead people into not having the vaccine is beyond the. Pale. Whilst stupidity is not against the AUP posting stuff that is dangerous is

You are now banned sine die. 48756c6c20 524c4643 Sick of your stupidity and misleading posts. Do you even know what it is you have posted. 20 million people have been inoculated/ within 2 weeks of getting the inoculation 111 people died. Without post-mortems etc you do not know why they died. But if 4 million old people get an injection you would expect some of them to die. There is no direct correlation between the stats you are providing and the vaccine https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x It is explained there . But regardless you are banned you are post misleading stuff without having one ing idea on what you are posting trying to mislead people into not having the vaccine is beyond the. Pale. Whilst stupidity is not against the AUP posting stuff that is dangerous is

No one has officially died from taking a vaccine. They have just died within a short time frame from taking the vaccine. Did you know on average 20000 people die a month within 14 days of having a haircut? Same principle. Let’s ban haircuts

Quote ="Durham Giant"You are now banned sine die. 48756c6c20 524c4643 Sick of your stupidity and misleading posts. Do you even know what it is you have posted. 20 million people have been inoculated/ within 2 weeks of getting the inoculation 111 people died. Without post-mortems etc you do not know why they died. But if 4 million old people get an injection you would expect some of them to die. There is no direct correlation between the stats you are providing and the vaccine https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x It is explained there . But regardless you are banned you are post misleading stuff without having one loving idea on what you are posting trying to mislead people into not having the vaccine is beyond the. Pale. Whilst stupidity is not against the AUP posting stuff that is dangerous is'" The guy is a wazzock of that there is no doubt, and I wouldn’t miss him for one moment but not sure it qualifies for a permanent ban - like you say it’s not against the AUP (I’ll take your word for that) A lot of people put misleading/untruths on here without the same recriminations

Quote ="Durham Giant"You are now banned sine die. 48756c6c20 524c4643 Sick of your stupidity and misleading posts. Do you even know what it is you have posted. 20 million people have been inoculated/ within 2 weeks of getting the inoculation 111 people died. Without post-mortems etc you do not know why they died. But if 4 million old people get an injection you would expect some of them to die. There is no direct correlation between the stats you are providing and the vaccine https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x It is explained there . But regardless you are banned you are post misleading stuff without having one loving idea on what you are posting trying to mislead people into not having the vaccine is beyond the. Pale. Whilst stupidity is not against the AUP posting stuff that is dangerous is'" The guy is a wazzock of that there is no doubt, and I wouldn’t miss him for one moment but not sure it qualifies for a permanent ban - like you say it’s not against the AUP (I’ll take your word for that) A lot of people put misleading/untruths on here without the same recriminations

Not a decision I took lightly and I have referred it to admin as I did my previous warning about his conspiracy theories that Covid is a hoax.
At that point I PMed the poster and said he could post what he wanted but to keep away from misleading conspiracy theories which in my view were dangerous. I accepted his posts about the pain of lockdown being worse than opening up that is a matter of opinion .

To try to mislead people into not having a vaccine based on an erroneous and unfounded understanding of facts was in my view dangerous

It may fall foul of the AUP about misleading information .

I have posted this on the mods board and asked for views about 4 weeks ago As I felt uncomfortable about trying to clamp down on the right to free speech but on balance I felt I would rather do that than allow for dangerous stuff to be posted .

Anyway admin are looking at it and I am happy to abide by their decision.

You have my support. These people are a danger to society and there are vulnerable people out there who can be scared/influenced by their unfounded bullsh*t.

Well done.

Coronavirus put in perspective...

England Data

Cases [Positive PCR – 3,694,339*
[i*Estimated Asymptomatic cases according to the NHS [1 in 3 – 1,231,446[/i

[iEstimated number of cases [past infections according to the Office of National Statics by December 2020 in the general community excluding hospitals, care homes and/or other institutional settings – 5,400,000[/i

Total Patients admitted to hospital – 384,852
Breakdown by age (slight reporting lag behind above total):-
Patients admitted aged 0-17 – 5,183
Patients admitted aged 18-64 – 134,700
Patients admitted aged 65-84 – 159,267
Patients admitted aged 85+ – 80,985

Total Deaths PCR positive within 28 days – 109,602
Deaths recorded in hospitals – 83,917
[iRemaining 25,000+ deaths occurred in care homes / hospices[/i

Hospital deaths by age [uwith No[/u pre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 9
20-39 yrs - 78
40-59 yrs - 588
60-79 yrs – 1,459
80+ yrs – 1,355

Hospital deaths by age [uWith [/upre-existing health condition
0-19 yrs - 29
20-39 yrs - 499
40-59 yrs – 5,318
60-79 yrs – 30,589
80+ yrs – 43,993

Condition - Count of condition - % of all hospital deaths with condition

Asthma - 6,290 - 8%
Chronic Kidney Disease - 13,648 - 17%
Chronic Neurological Disorder - 2,192 - 3%
Chronic Pulmonary Disease - 12,995 - 16%
Dementia – 13,187 - 16%
Diabetes - 21,603 - 26%
Rheumatological Disorder - 2,539 - 3%
Ischaemic Heart Disease - 8,244 - 13%
Other - 60,216 – 73%

[iPatients that have died may have had more than one pre-existing condition.[/i

Does anyone know where I can find the case breakdown by age data?

Is what you're trying to say that 100,000 people are dead but they were amongst the weakest and most vulnerable in our society so... meh?

Based on the data I'd say the UK Government, NHS and SAGE have done an appalling job in protecting/saving the weakest and most vulnerable in our society. Everyone involved in those organisations should hang their heads in shame. Second highest C19 death toll (deaths per million) in the world. Roll on the public inquiry.

So, what conclusions should anyone draw from your figures ?

I am less concerned about the death rates than I am about those who suffer from long Covid and those who are likely to have longer term health problems.
Absolutely loads of evidence that may younger people who had milder Covid have PERMANENT lung damage.

Many others have heart wall muscle damage .

Those who have died are the tip of the iceberg .

We do not yet have figures that are reliable enough to tell us what the long term effects on population/ death rates and health problems in the future will be.

you've produced this post yet you've not provided the link to back this up, I thought the forum ruling was if going to post you had to provide your evidence where you got it from,
we've had one crank dismissed feeding misinformation and if I remember right you backed up the crank on the wakey forum that went for 100 or so pages

How many people went into hospital with other conditions - caught Covid in hospital and died?

I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.

The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.

Quote ="snowie"you've produced this post yet you've not provided the link to back this up, I thought the forum ruling was if going to post you had to provide your evidence where you got it from, we've had one crank dismissed feeding misinformation and if I remember right you backed up the crank on the wakey forum that went for 100 or so pages'" Source material below https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... anuary2021 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/ For the poster referring to "long covid" please provide official NHS, UK Gov or ONS data to back up your claims or this could be deemed as spreading misinformation on the board.

Quote ="snowie"you've produced this post yet you've not provided the link to back this up, I thought the forum ruling was if going to post you had to provide your evidence where you got it from, we've had one crank dismissed feeding misinformation and if I remember right you backed up the crank on the wakey forum that went for 100 or so pages'" Source material below https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... anuary2021 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/ For the poster referring to "long covid" please provide official NHS, UK Gov or ONS data to back up your claims or this could be deemed as spreading misinformation on the board.

I've heard estimates on the TV/Radio (GMB/BBC Radio 4) between 20 to 25% caught it on NHS hospital wards. Appreciate if anyone could share the information where this has been officially acknowledged.

They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
Conclusions - that would be for an independent panel with no conflicts of interest to decide.

So, why post them in relation to a "vaccine guinea pig" thread. Surely you have a reason or, was it a random act on your behalf ?

yes they are your figures as the link don't show what you've posted, clever why of getting around it

Quote ="MatthewTrin"Source material below https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... anuary2021 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/ For the poster referring to "long covid" please provide official NHS, UK Gov or ONS data to back up your claims or this could be deemed as spreading misinformation on the board.'" As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development . What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats. The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6

Quote ="MatthewTrin"Source material below https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... anuary2021 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/ For the poster referring to "long covid" please provide official NHS, UK Gov or ONS data to back up your claims or this could be deemed as spreading misinformation on the board.'" As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development . What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats. The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6

Quote ="Durham Giant"As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development . What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats. The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6'" Thanks for sharing. Yes I've read about reports on "long covid" but without hard official data it's difficult to quantify the medium to long term impact on the overall population. For those with poor health it's not going to help matters but for someone like Novak Djokovic he's still in peak fitness... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... ur-fallout https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/56147443 [iLinks included for those that can't use Google[/i It stands to reason all diseases, bone breakages, operations & respiratory viruses must have a negative impact on a number of people's health. Take even the Flu for example https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6 https://www.today.com/health/man-needs- ... lu-t169952 The affects of covid certainly need measuring on the human body; a check of increased hospital treatment post infection would be a good place to start. I'll get onto searching for the NHS hospital / treatment data when I find the spare time.

Quote ="Durham Giant"As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development . What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats. The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6'" Thanks for sharing. Yes I've read about reports on "long covid" but without hard official data it's difficult to quantify the medium to long term impact on the overall population. For those with poor health it's not going to help matters but for someone like Novak Djokovic he's still in peak fitness... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... ur-fallout https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/56147443 [iLinks included for those that can't use Google[/i It stands to reason all diseases, bone breakages, operations & respiratory viruses must have a negative impact on a number of people's health. Take even the Flu for example https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6 https://www.today.com/health/man-needs- ... lu-t169952 The affects of covid certainly need measuring on the human body; a check of increased hospital treatment post infection would be a good place to start. I'll get onto searching for the NHS hospital / treatment data when I find the spare time.

I'm here to inform by providing facts that you never hear being quoted on the BBC or Sky News. The Sin Bin can become a bit of an echo chamber at times. I'm researching the Vaccine data and will provide my findings in due time.

Squeeze healthcare budgets to the core for a decade.
Come a pandemic which you deal with utterly incompetently, exclaim fury that the system you've driven into the ground doesn't work as well as it might.
Conclusion: more cutbacks and real wage decreases for you lot. That'll learn 'em .

To think you accuse other people of living on a different planet. The party you apparently vote for over and over are the people who have run the system for 11 years now. Constantly holding the wrong people responsible is quite some achievement.