Forget the deflection tactics. Are you disputing the figures? If not , what do you read into them. Are you disputing the fact that the French put them in tents while we put them up in hotels?

Your desperation to treat other human beings in the worst way possible is quite terrifying.

But again, tell us what you think the "figures" mean.

Where have I said I want them treating in the worst possible way. I haven't. You're making stuff up again.
I've already told you what I think the figures mean.

I mean you literally indicated that putting people who had nowhere else to stay in cheap hotels was too good for them so sorry if that wasn't what you really meant.

And apologies again I can't see where you've told us what you think these 'figures' mean, could you point out the relevant post?

I said the French were putting asylum seekers in tents. I didn't say that's what WE should do.
Last post P18 for my opinion on what the figures mean

How many of those we accepted are from Hong Kong for example and how many are from countries like Syria for example. With regards percentages, the starting number is all important say for example we have 10 applicants and accept 7, France have 200 applicants which based on percentages quoted means they accept 50 if my memory is correct at 25%.

Yes the main point which the furymongers ignore is that France takes many, many more asylum seekers than the UK. The UK would rank 17th amongst EU countries - if we were still members - for the number of asylum applications we get.

But facts don't pay the political bills for right wingers. Their only path to power is sowing fear and hatred. So they pretend that the real issues the UK faces aren't the corruption of this country's economy by a tiny number of vastly rich billionaires or the hiving off our our nation's assets for a pittance. It's not the vast inequality, the crumbling infrastructure or the poverty. All these obvious things that are wrong with the UK bring us back to them because this is the nation they and their deliberately destructive policies have built.

So instead they drum up spurious BS about a small number penniless, desperate foreigners instead. And sadly it works over and over again with their base - who get red in the face and start regurgitating these silly stories like this one in the Express without taking a moment to stand back and realise how easily they are being played.

Hardly penniless Ghost, they are paying up to £15k a pop to criminal gangs for a lift in a dinghy.
Also the same story has been run by more respected papers than the Express.

The fear mongerers have got you hook line and sinker I'm afraid wotsy.

Did the French allow diphtheria to spread.
I am sure this will appear in some newspaper but the source providing the details is the same and without true numbers just as worthless. I guess it suits the line these papers what to portray and the Government are happy to do so.
I think they would be better explaining to the Home Secretary how you can legally apply to enter the U.K. because her response was to come over to the U.K. and apply unfortunately this would not work and shows her complete level of understanding.
I wonder if anyone bought her a dream catcher for Christmas so she can make sure to not forget any deportation dreams to Rwanda.

Whilst I agree with much of the above on the refugees - there does seem to be a large number of Albanians - this I find odd as I am unaware of issues in that country? Also if you are unhappy at the regime in your country how will running help you change it? Finally many of these people have travelled through a host a safe countries before getting on a dingy - why the UK surely all these 45k+ don't have relatives/contact here?

I've been to Albania around a dozen times since 2003 and the progress is clear but let's not kid ourselves that Albania has anywhere near EU-standards of legal protection, enforcement or civil rights. The country has a veneer of civilisation which works well in the touristy areas but underneath there is a lot of crime with gangs and the Albanian mafia remaining strong. Deadly blood feuds between gangs and families are still a major, major problem with sectarian murder and reprisal killings still shockingly common. The presence of likely death due to this is one of the major reasons people fleet Albania. The British press with their pathetic, obviously racist smears of "Albanian men" deliberately mislead their readers about why people leave that country.

This is the blinding that is happening to people, it needs fixing big time, although most of the readers are dying out............

As the Nauset said to the Pilgrim Father.

I think refugees have largely given up on trying to achieve change and are simply trying to escape. Sometimes it just isn’t safe to stay.

But its not our problem. We can't house, educate and treat anyone and everyone from every basket case country in the world for God's sake.
You obviously don't subscribe to the view that we are importing the crime and feuds along with these Albanians then. And it's not racist to call groups of Albanian males "Albanian men"

I am sure you will be able to explain the process that allows an individual to apply for asylum in the U.K.

Why would I. And what the hell has it to do with my post you quoted.

Great, well the good news is we have less asylum seekers than any other large country in Europe and and are miles under comparable countries by head of population.

Again unfortunately you seem to believe the Mail/Express/Sun/Tory lies that we are "overrun". Take a step back and try and dismiss these unreliable sources with their transparent agendas. Instead you'd be better off questioning why they want to sell you that false narrative.

We have obligations under decades-old international treaties about how to treat people coming to this country. This government are pushing us close to the edge of what is legal and humane in their attempts to rile you up. Don't fall for it.

As far as genuine asylum seekers fearing death and torture in their own country then yes, we should take our fair share. But it seems to me that the parameters for being an asylum seeker are being stretched to the limit.
It now seems that anyone who is pee'd off with living in a hole and wants to come here and is seeking "asylum".
IMHO anyone who arrives in a dinghy should be classed as an illegal immigrant who is funding a criminal gang and should be treated as such.

Because just saying we are full is also not an answer. They want to stop the boats but to do that you need a system to allow people to apply legally but unfortunately they don’t exist except from Hong Kong and Ukraine. The Home Secretary cannot even provide an answer to this conundrum of their own making.

I wonder where no earth you are getting these ideas from. Have you spoken to any asylum seekers? It's a pretty desperate thing to do and it's a pretty desperate existence once here.

For people claiming asylum there is literally no such thing as an "illegal", it's by definition impossible to use the term.

Your proposal meanwhile would break international agreements this country has been signed up to for decades, all to play up a political agenda that helps the Tory party by making people angry about something they are utterly ignorant about or, as we have seen, badly misinformed about.

To Distract anyone from looking at the Hundreds of Real Problems they've created and the Trough of money they have syphoned off to the Rich through various Guises which are the real issues

Just wanted to ass the above to the end of your sentence

Yeah, because anyone who is a bit pee'd off with where they live usually finds that paying their life savings to a criminal for a dinghy ride across one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, only to be holed up in a complex processing centre, is usually the best bet.

A bit like many of the less affluent areas of the major cities in this country especially in London/Manchester/Liverpool/Glasgow but we don't see a significant outflow of these people to other countries. We have a non-existent policing presence in these areas and deaths are weekly sometimes daily? Calling an Albanian man an Albanian man is not a racial slur its a statement of fact.

If you just compared UK policing, judicial rights and gang deaths to Albanian equivalents then I don't think you're really paying attention to facts.