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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"I'd say it was working exactly as designed to. There's nothing broken about it.'"
If you are an aristocratic elitist then yes. |
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"If you are an aristocratic elitist then yes.'"
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| So.... Corbyn has rompt to victory with nearly 60% of the vote, with a 75% turn out.  |
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I suspect Cameron and his gang will be enjoying their beer tonight. Jobs secured for the next 10 years
Both Tom and Jerry's speeches were shocking at the conference. 'Comrades and movement', what sort of terminology is that in 2015!
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| As if May wasn't good enough then this happens.  |
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| Quote ="Ajw71"As if May wasn't good enough then this happens.
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What, you continuing to post nonsense based on ignorance and dogma.
If I were you I would consider checking to see if there is a case against the education authority or maybe others for not teaching you how to think etc.
There are people around who care, probably much to your disappointment, but they can help you.  |
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"What, you continuing to post nonsense based on ignorance and dogma.
If I were you I would consider checking to see if there is a case against the education authority or maybe others for not teaching you how to think etc.
There are people around who care, probably much to your disappointment, but they can help you.
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You seriously think the re-emergence of "Keep the red flag flying" is going to endear Corbyn/Labour to the electorate? seriously you are another that needs a reality check. The emergence of McClusky on the stage at the victory parade should have been something Corbyn should have been looking to avoid. Re-nationalisation and increased union powers - who is seriously going to vote for that? |
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It makes the forthcoming period of politics interesting if just for farcical reasons. Astonishing what has happened.
Its great for the country that the Tories can draw up a long term plan for the country whilst Tom and Jerry spend each Sat attending demonstrations in Hyde Park dressed in Donkey Jackets.
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Good to see Labour electing a white, middle class, male career politician.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You seriously think the re-emergence of "Keep the red flag flying" is going to endear Corbyn/Labour to the electorate? seriously you are another that needs a reality check. The emergence of McClusky on the stage at the victory parade should have been something Corbyn should have been looking to avoid. Re-nationalisation and increased union powers - who is seriously going to vote for that?'"
Given that absolute wages have plummeted in this country over the past few decades and the fact that unionised labour is consistently better paid than non-unionised - more than you might think. |
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Given that absolute wages have plummeted in this country over the past few decades and the fact that unionised labour is consistently better paid than non-unionised - more than you might think.'"
I challenge you to prove the last statement. Union membership is falling - strange that - when the financial benefits in your strange mind are so obvious!! |
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You seriously think the re-emergence of "Keep the red flag flying" is going to endear Corbyn/Labour to the electorate? seriously you are another that needs a reality check. The emergence of McClusky on the stage at the victory parade should have been something Corbyn should have been looking to avoid. Re-nationalisation and increased union powers - who is seriously going to vote for that?'"
Those increased "closed shop" unions called the BMA, fighting for their members regarding 7 day working, much to the annoyance of people who would like this. the " closed shop"
Law Society fighting the government regarding legal aid etc. The NFU having a go about decreased SUBSIDIES for their members. Need I go on? Don't forget these Union leaders are very well paid, just like the 1st divi on of the civil service.
Yeh unions holding the country to ransom! hypocrisy.
Like AJW, you are also a sad indictment of the education system which has let you down.
Help is available, you choice, but if you want to stay in a state of struggling to think, then your choice. You are missing out on so much. |
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I challenge you to prove the last statement. Union membership is falling - strange that - when the financial benefits in your strange mind are so obvious!!'"
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I challenge you to prove the last statement. Union membership is falling - strange that - when the financial benefits in your strange mind are so obvious!!'"
I have found it to be the case. If you don't have a unionised workforce the employer dictates what the payrise will be so if they say it's 0% that's what you get (as has happened to many over the past three decades). |
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"
Like AJW, you are also a sad indictment of the education system which has let you down.
Help is available, [uyou choice[/u, but if you want to stay in a state of struggling to think, then your choice. You are missing out on so much.'"
"You choice"? Did you and AJW get the same education? Or were you trying to belittle him/her because you've nothing left other than petty insults. Just write "WAAAHHHHH....Tories" in future it'll save time. |
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Quote ="Sal Paradise"You seriously think the re-emergence of "Keep the red flag flying" is going to endear Corbyn/Labour to the electorate? seriously you are another that needs a reality check. The emergence of McClusky on the stage at the victory parade should have been something Corbyn should have been looking to avoid. Re-nationalisation and increased union powers - who is seriously going to vote for that?'"
Re-nationalisation: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/na ... ay-public/ "68% of the public say the energy companies should be run in the public sector, while only 21% say they should remain in private hands. 66% support nationalising the railway companies while 23% think they should be run privately."
Quote ="Sal Paradise"I challenge you to prove the last statement. Union membership is falling - strange that - when the financial benefits in your strange mind are so obvious!!'"
According to The Wage Impact of Trade Unions in the UK Public and Private Sectors by David Blanchflower, there's an estimated 10% mark up on wages in the UK for those in unions compared to matched individuals not in unions, with wage dispersion also 25% lower in firms with unions. Union membership is falling due to reasons such as de-industrialisation, more flexibile labour markets than previously and legislation which has weakened unions; I recommend you read Blanchflower's International Patterns of Union Membership if you want further explanation. |
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Re-nationalisation: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/na ... ay-public/ "68% of the public say the energy companies should be run in the public sector, while only 21% say they should remain in private hands. 66% support nationalising the railway companies while 23% think they should be run privately."
Quote ="Sal Paradise"I challenge you to prove the last statement. Union membership is falling - strange that - when the financial benefits in your strange mind are so obvious!!'"
According to The Wage Impact of Trade Unions in the UK Public and Private Sectors by David Blanchflower, there's an estimated 10% mark up on wages in the UK for those in unions compared to matched individuals not in unions, with wage dispersion also 25% lower in firms with unions. Union membership is falling due to reasons such as de-industrialisation, more flexibile labour markets than previously and legislation which has weakened unions; I recommend you read Blanchflower's International Patterns of Union Membership if you want further explanation. | |
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Quote ="Saint #1"Re-nationalisation: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/na ... ay-public/ "68% of the public say the energy companies should be run in the public sector, while only 21% say they should remain in private hands. 66% support nationalising the railway companies while 23% think they should be run privately."'"
Of course they do, because they think they're being ripped off, and the only way of knowing that is to know how much energy would be if it was still being provided by the government so a comparison could be made. People like to moan and whine.
The railways are already nationalised, the tracks and infrastructure are owned by the government, all the rail companies do is run the service, I'm pretty sure they don't even own the rolling stock. |
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Of course they do, because they think they're being ripped off, and the only way of knowing that is to know how much energy would be if it was still being provided by the government so a comparison could be made. People like to moan and whine.
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| Quote I have found it to be the case. If you don't have a unionised workforce the employer dictates what the payrise will be so if they say it's 0% that's what you get (as has happened to many over the past three decades).'"
Does the employer dictate? Surely the market dictates. If the employer wants to hang on to his best staff he will incentivise them or they may move on. The days of the village working in the village pit has long gone. |
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"Does the employer dictate?'"
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I work in the technology sector and I can assure you that management concern themselves with the better staff leaving to competitors and as such pay well and provide amazing working environments. I would argue that's market driven.
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Quote ="Exiled down south"I work in the technology sector and I can assure you that management concern themselves with the better staff leaving to competitors and as such pay well and provide amazing working environments. I would argue that's market driven.'"
It may be for a small minority but for the majority of people it's not. Businesses do not give money away so easily. Certainly any national company or multinational will have very tightly controlled budgets for things like labour cost increases. Those that don't usually fall into financial difficulty.
Quote ="BobbyD"The railways are already nationalised, the tracks and infrastructure are owned by the government, all the rail companies do is run the service, I'm pretty sure they don't even own the rolling stock.'"
They are also subsidised to the tune of billions e.g. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ds-subsidy Where's the sense in that? |
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It may be for a small minority but for the majority of people it's not. Businesses do not give money away so easily. Certainly any national company or multinational will have very tightly controlled budgets for things like labour cost increases. Those that don't usually fall into financial difficulty.
Quote ="BobbyD"The railways are already nationalised, the tracks and infrastructure are owned by the government, all the rail companies do is run the service, I'm pretty sure they don't even own the rolling stock.'"
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"I work in the technology sector and I can assure you that management concern themselves with the better staff leaving to competitors and as such pay well and provide amazing working environments. I would argue that's market driven.'"
And this is representative of the (greater) whole? |
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Quote ="McClennan"It may be for a small minority but for the majority of people it's not. Businesses do not give money away so easily. Certainly any national company or multinational will have very tightly controlled budgets for things like labour cost increases. Those that don't usually fall into financial difficulty.'"
Yep. Most jobs in this country could actually be done to the same or similar standard by someone else. So an individual business' costs, profits and circumstances are generally the factor behind wages for most people. It's generally only in very (relatively) small markets or skilled labour where the market drives the wages.
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Yep. Most jobs in this country could actually be done to the same or similar standard by someone else. So an individual business' costs, profits and circumstances are generally the factor behind wages for most people. It's generally only in very (relatively) small markets or skilled labour where the market drives the wages.
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I work in the technology sector and I can assure you that management concern themselves with the better staff leaving to competitors and as such pay well and provide amazing working environments. I would argue that's market driven.
And this is representative of the (greater) whole?'"
So let me give you another example;
The hourly rate for carers has been raised in a friends residential home as competing homes are paying a higher rate and staff are leaving. Market driven.
Its not exclusive to 1st world countries, I've seen similar examples in emerging markets across the globe.
So that's 2 examples, different sectors, different skill sets. How many more do you require before you can see beyond the pit? |
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"So let me give you another example;
The hourly rate for carers has been raised in a friends residential home as competing homes are paying a higher rate and staff are leaving. Market driven.
Its not exclusive to 1st world countries, I've seen similar examples in emerging markets across the globe.
So that's 2 examples, different sectors, different skill sets. How many more do you require before you can see beyond the pit?'"
Again, you're talking about a market that isn't representative.
There is a shortage of carers (mainly because the pay, hours and conditions are so bloody awful), so of course there is market competition for those people willing to do the job.
Most jobs aren't like that. Most jobs can be done by someone else and have plenty of people willing to do that job. |
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