Mmm, I wonder how many have been put to death in the name of god by said christian faith since then. The number of books burnt, the number maimed and injured in gos name.

I read somewhere that 15% of Irish Catholics don't believe in God but are still Catholics.

Many of those nominal Christians will also end up in Hell (Matthew 7:22). The other religionists will also go to Hell.

And I'm sorry but none of us are 'good' when you compare us to God. Therefore, we all deserve Hell, including me.

Dara O'Briain is one of them.

I'm going to Hell, i've checked the Wire fixtures and it's our first away day.

Why would it matter if you went to hell?

You wouldn't have your body and wouldn't be able to feel the heat, Heaven sounds there's only 144,000 of you and most of those would be priests and young children. Although having my own planet and loads of legal virgins would be a boost, unless legal meant 9. Is that why priests want to go there?

I'm confused?

Christianity is the equivalent of Wigan and Shaun Wane is that of the Christian God. Despite being top of the table the Christians will be displaced from heaven by those rascally Other Combined Religions who only placed fifth.

Isnt that what Paul Wood has done?

You sound a little too much like a Westboro Baptist for my liking there.

How do you know 'your' God is the correct God? How can you be sure? There have been any tens of thousands of Gods worshipped throughout human history and in the vast majority of cases the one we end up worshipping is only through accident of birth. Until the last 50 years the majority of the planet's population wouldn't have had the opportunity to be exposed to 'your' God - how do they get the chance to be saved? Doesn't seem quite fair to me. Billions doomed to hell without a chance of salvation.

I also made some points on page 12 I'd like you to respond to please.

I'm so glad that, if any sort of afterlife does exist, I'm going to be experiencing mine somewhere different from you. You really are a sanctimonious little twerp.

And a hypocrite. As illustrated. More than once.

As ' Pi's ' mum said " Science tells us what is ' Out there' " , " Faith tells us what is ' in here ' "

Surely there's a PhD available to someone who investigates a possible link between evangelical christians and ADHD

They WBC are hyper-calvinists who ignore the wealth of scripture instructing us to spread the good news. They just want to sit back and laugh at everyone going to Hell.

I want everyone to come with me to Heaven, therefore I do my best to spread the Gospel.



There is only one God. The Alpha and the Omega. It's not a case of choosing a God among many, there is only one.

And I'm particularly interested in what you mean by 'accident of birth'. Can you develop that point?



Those who humble themselves before God and do not rely on their own righteousness should be OK. I can't say for definite because of John 14:6.

In any case, those who are saved were always going to be saved. It isn't about chance. God chooses who goes to Heaven, we cannot take, pass or fail a 'test'.The unsaved are in Hell because they deserve to be there. The people who are in Heaven also deserve to be in Hell, but they have been saved because God has elected to show them mercy.

You may have read the above and think it is unjust that God chooses some for Heaven and some for Hell. It's a fair question, so let me explain why it is just.

First of all, read Romans 9. This chapter explains how God elects certain individuals for redemption and prepares others for destruction. Secondly, let's remember why people go to Hell. The Bible tells us that we are all sinful and deserve Hell. An omnibenevolent God is a just God, and we all deserve God's righteous judgement. Therefore, those who end up in Hell cannot complain. They are where they deserve to be.

You probably think that it is unfair that God chooses to forgive some individuals, almost at random it seems. But why do you think everyone should be treated the same? If I went up to a group of people queuing in a bank and started handing out £10 notes to every third person, are the ones who don't receive money from me being treated unfairly? No, because they never deserved £10 from me in the first place. It is my money and my prerogative to spend it this way.

It's the same with sinners. God chooses some of us for salvation and prepares most for destruction. That is not unfair.

[iWell then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?” No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction. He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory.[/i

Romans 9:19-23




Matthew and Luke provide an accurate, historical description of the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ. So I guess my answer is yes.

What's this got to do with Paul Wood ?

What a complete tw*t.

He's on God's naughty step.

The lazy preacher.

He was guilty of loving thy neighbour.

(no swear filter there, though it could be appropriate I suppose)

This place is called the [size=150SIN[/size bin.

Rugby League does have a wealth of history to do with Christianity and the place where naughty players get sent to is testament to that. That's what all this has got to do with Paul Wood.

Fossilised remains of a 190 million year old Fabrosaur. Looks pretty dead to me.

That's exactly what almost every believer in every god says. Again, how do you know your god happens to be the correct one? The real god could have been Ahura Mazda or it could have been Zeus. It be Allah. It could be none at all. Simply reaffirming your belief does answer the question - how do you know?


Pretty simple really. A child born in the slums of Karachi to Muslim parents will probably never be given the opportunity to be saved by your choice of god. Nor a child born to indigenous Australians a thousand years ago. A child born to American Indians 500 years ago. That you have been born and raised in a largely Christian country is an accident of your birth. Had you popped out in Saudi Arabia instead your choice of faith would have been very different.


So why waste your life in worship or trying to "get everyone to go with you to heaven"? What's the point if your god has already chosen? If it's all pre-determined and nothing we can do can render us worthy, why even try?

You say it's not chance, yet we can't alter the outcome. So what, then, are your god's criteria? And don't just give me some quote such as "who are you to ask".


I don't only think it's unjust, I think it's insane, and I think you don't actually understand what your own faith teaches.


First point - you're relying on biblical quotes. I gave you my view of the bible on page 12, which you have ignored. Would you like to address those?

But then if you're relying on the bible, once again I don't even think you know what you're preaching. The bible makes plenty of mention that god never predestined all men to hell, that it is man's free will to come to god, accept Jesus as their saviour, and be saved by faith. Yet you're telling us that's not correct and it's all predetermined, completely regardless of our actions?

You're making no sense. You think John 14:6 might apply but you're not sure. Then you choose to ignore it completely, and many other parts of the bible, and tell us it's all predetermined regardless of what we choose in life because some of us are shown 'mercy', apparently at random. I actually think you're confused between god knowing who would be saved, and choosing who would be saved.

I'm disappointed. I thought you might have been intelligent enough to question and look deeper into what you have been instructed to believe. Instead you're coming across as blindly indoctrinated.


You're one of the very few of adult age who actually believe it's a literal account. Even many the most devout smile awkwardly and admit that at the very least, there's plenty of embellishment in there. Even the fact shepherds would not have had their flocks in the freezing hills around Bethlehem in December should raise a little doubt.

Just for the record, I'm not religious, despite being brought up attending church and having had brushes with religion. My interest in the subject comes from an avid interest in history.

You know what? To date I have not [iinter alia[/i

Commited genocide against almost every living thing on the planet
Kill a man for not having sex with who I want him to have sex with
Threatened eternal torture upon people who refuse to give me uncondtional love
Call for people who eat the wrong things, wear clothes of mixed fabrics et cetera to be put to death
Have my followers wipe out whole societies except for the virgins who my followers can keep for themselves
Condone slavery
Or condone putting unruley children to death

I could go on but you probably get the gist. I'll admit to being far from perfect but, your god needs to be much further up the queue for Satan's red hot pokers than me.

I've heard some argue that the WBC are amongst the most honest Christians of all because at least they have integrity to admit that they are taking bible literally unlike most other sects who have to perform no end of (dishonest) intellectual contortions to justify their own beliefs. That doesn't mean that the WBC aren't f***ing nuts though.

Because I have met the living and risen Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible is historically accurate and it all makes sense.



The fact I was born and raised in this country makes no difference. Actually I grew up in a pretty cosmopolitan area of North London where Christianity had by no means a stranglehold. My upbringing was non-religious and I only converted to Christianity as an adult.

In any case, it is irrelevant as far as salvation goes. God saves who he wants to save. You can't go crying that it is not fair that others don't get the same 'chance'.



I don't try to be worthy. Faith gets me into Heaven, not works.

I try to follow the commandments and love my neighbour because God has chosen me to live and I love him for it. I can never be grateful enough. That is why I worship him.



There is no criteria, only faith, which God grants.

You cannot earn yourself a place in Heaven.



My position is Christianity and it is supported fully by scripture.



You completely ignore the role of the Holy Spirit in the compilation of the Bible. God himself guided what would be included. The false Gospel of Thomas has no more validity than the Book of Mormon.



Matthew 24:22, 31;
Mark 13:20, 27;
Romans 8:33, 9:11, 11:5-7, 28;
Ephesians 1:11;
Colossians 3:12;
1 Thessalonians 1:4;
1 Timothy 5:21;
2 Timothy 2:10;
Titus 1:1;
1 Peter 1:1-2, 2:9;
2 Peter 1:10

I've not even got started. The Bible never mentions free will. We are all totally depraved and are unable to choose good.



God chooses us to be saved, no doubt about it. See the above verses. Here's another:

[iFor no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.[/i John 6:44



I have looked at my faith critically, thank you.



Devout = nominal.

Do you live at number 666?