To be honest I knew there was something dodgy about those 2 (I tend to have a hard time trusting rich people in real life and games are no different

. I kept repeating "She kidknapped herself" from the Big Lebowski, and at other times I thought it was similar to 'Man on Fire' I didn't see the bit in the hotel coming (organs).

It really annoys me that the story in all 3 games is so good but the films are 5hite.

Watch Dogs won't be out this generation. Expect the new machines to be here late next year. Valve (developers of Half Life) are rumoured to be bringing out their own console in time for the next generation its called 'The Steam box'. Its a rubbish name but all what I hear has been go so far.

Gears of war 4 has been confirmed asweel, to be made by the Polish dudes who made Bulletstorm (very underrated game)

Watch Dogs looked amazing, as did The Last of Us and Beyond. Not much else to see this year though.

FIFA 13 looked uninspiring, the only good new things are the first touch system and tactical free kicks, defending still looks poor.

Hope there is a new console out next year though.

Ubisoft said today it is. PC, 360 and PS3. Hopefully just smoke and mirrors and new gen is coming.

The Wii U could be amazing, but it won't be because of the games. Nintendo will promote the greatness of it by using things like Wii Sports and Just Dance, but what makes a console is the quality of the games -- not the amount of frothy-mouthed kids that get them for Christmas. The 'Pad' could be used to really enhance the 'first person' element of so many games, not specifically shooting games, more action/adventure/puzzle games. It could add new levels of detail and skill to solving things, but it will instead be used as a strobe light for little kids as they go nuts for their party games.

Anyone seen what they've started doing with Playstation Plus now? Join up and you get 12 free games to download straight away and you get to keep them for as long as your subscription runs out. I didn't download them all as I aren't interested in them all and I don't have much memory left on my PS3 but got Infamous 2, Virtua Fighter 5, Oddworld: Strangers Wrath, Motorstorm: Apocalypse and Littlebigplanet 2!

Yeah a great deal for PS Plus subscribers. It was already a great deal, now even more so.

The Wii U pad just seems like a massive gimmick to me. The console supports the use of two, but they have confirmed that games will only run at 30fps if two tablets are used. Wtf?!
It also seemed a little silly to me the way that they spent so much time on Arkham City - a game most people have already played last year. Again the use of the tablet just seemed like a gimmick, you could do everything the tablet did on the original version by just using a few menus.

All in all it seemed like a subdued E3 from both Microsoft and Sony. The lack of new IPs is a bit depressing imo, out of the whole expo there are only really two new IPs that I can think of, everything else is a sequel.

Clearly the calm before the storm. I liked Microsoft's presentation, you can see the direction they are headed in. The next Xbox will pick up the Kinect (Upgraded and part of the console package), Smartglass, Music, Movies stuff seamlessly one would expect.

I'd say the big IPs are being held back for the next generation. This generation is done IMO and needs to be replaced. There has been very little new over the last 12 months and I doubt there will be over the next 12 months either.

Classic Nintendo. The Wii was a mess, terrible cheapo hardware, appalling software, terrible 3rd party support, poor media capabilities and ridiculously poor online services. Yet it was a commercial smash hit, with there now being a Wii in 97% of the cupboards under the UK's stairs.

Some good things from E3 but on the whole it was a let down.

No new consoles, no GTA V, meh.

Xbox 3 hopefully next year, I would bet that PS4 won't be out before Xbox 3.

Classic Rockstar though they won't show anything. I remember when GTA 4 came out, nobody saw any gameplay footage until the game was actually released.

Only game I'm looking forward to from E3 is Assassins Creed 3, look quality!

Which is a shame because the games still aren't even getting the PS3 to 60% capacity, never mind 100% like a lot of games on the 360 have been.

The problem with the next consoles, if rumours are to be believed is at launch they will already be a year (at least) behind a PC in terms of graphics because the new Xbox is supposedly having a current GPU in it...when the new ones are due out again around Christmas time.

Another problem is if the no discs and every game has to be downloaded thing is true, that would be a terrible move, just look at how much they try charging for games on PSN compared to Amazon etc.

But there is good news! (

) Infinity Ward have been advertising for developer jobs to work on a game for the new consoles...Modern Warfare 4 as a launch title anybody?

Consoles will always be behind PC in terms of graphics, simply because they are a third of the price.

The no discs thing is inevitable IMO. It cuts the second hand market out of the loop entirely, which is threatening to destroy the industry at present. The last thing I heard was the games would still be sold in stores, but instead of buying a physical product, you bought a voucher code that enables the download, enabling gaming to keep a presence on the high street whilst preventing people recycling games and denying the developers money.

What rumours have you heard about the new Xbox? MS have repeatedly insisted it will be released in 2015 and if that's true, they won't be finalising hardware for another year I'd say. Sony surely won't develop another Playstation at the moment given how much money they are losing. I know the PS4 is rumoured to be out next year, but it's not likely given they lost £4bn this year.

I've heard it'll be out the back end of 2013. I've also heard 2014 mentioned.

You could get a PC that easily outperforms a 360 or PS3 for £250-300.

The 'current-gen' consoles are so far behind current PC tech it's not even funny.

Thats because most console gamers think Dell or Currys are the be all and end all of PC's. I sorted my mate a pc out from Overclockers. Just short of £300 and runs every First Person Shooter on full settings and gets 70FPS when Frapsing.

I built my own and its spec is scary, but then I play MMORPGS and run 10 accounts so I need the extra spec.

Really? Memory alone would cost £100, mouse and keyboard another £50. And that's before you start with a processor, graphics card, sound card, box, power lead etc. I'll admit I'm not well up on gaming PCs, but surely that's stretching it a bit?



How long would said PC be able to keep up? I'll bet it wouldn't do the 8 years the Xbox 360 has been out for?

No way you can get a high performance machine for £300. The graphics card alone would cost that. Btw 10 mmorpg accounts? You do know there's an outside world right?



Happy with my Xbox. £150 and it's lasted me 5 years. Don't get near that lifetime out of a PC so itll do just fine for me.

£300? Surely there's some second hand parts in there? My graphics card cost more!

...the power supply is more than half of that too! (although paying more for modular and higher efficiency is well worth it)



With overclocking you'd probably be good for 4-5 years at maximum settings but then you'd need to tone down the graphic settings.

That £300 computer...probably a couple of years before the graphics card starts to bottleneck the system.

The best bit about a PC is how easy it is to swap out parts etc when they aren't good enough anymore.

PC's are boring.

I like to play FIFA in the living room with my mates on a massive 50 inch TV. This is why people buy consoles and this is why they're more popular. Developers don't care about PC gaming.

I have both a decent spec PC which cost about 300 quid with a mid range card and an xbox, and the performance of the pc craps all over my xbox, I can still play it on my TV through the HDMI out on my pc and I can use my xbox controllers aswell so I think the whole " I can play on my tv in the living room" thing is something that is slowly becoming less and less exclusive to consoles. Of course a console at the moment is easier because theres no waiting to boot up etc and its a bit more "portable" but as far as performance goes I don't think you can beat a pc. I also like the odd muck about on MS flight simulator which would be awful on a console for so many reasons.

My pc cost around £330 which is an amd Phenom x6 3.2 ghz processor with 12 gb ram

overkill maybe but meh!.. , I haven't decided to overclock it yet as I haven't felt the need. I used my hard drives out of my old pc to save a a few quid and put in a radeon 6850 card which is a decent mid range card.

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trust me, you can get systems (minus monitor) that out perform the xbox/PS by a large margin for around £300

There are plenty of prebuilt on overclockers.

That's the main reason I wouldn't invest in a gaming standard PC and keep it updated. I think the fact that everything is in one place on a console and you don't have to fuss about installing stuff and updating drivers to get the game to work just makes it a much simpler experience.