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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Do you find figures a challenge?
The splits by age group are really not hard to find.'"
I've looked at the YouGov website mate ,under the age of 34 ,were more likely to have voted Labour, above that Tory
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| Labour only seem interested in race and gender politics these days. Not really a concern for 99% of people
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"More than ever if anything. The Tories only got in last time because of the pensioner vote. People of working ages skewed massively to Labour.'"
More likely to be Labours shambollic Brexit policy and a leader that very few wanted anywhere near no 10.
Yes, the Tories do have a very strong share of the "silver" vote but, hopefully that may change when the financial screw is turned and everyone will be affected.
The triple lock will be gone and as we are now seeing, their manifesto doesn't count for too much.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"More likely to be Labours shambollic Brexit policy and a leader that very few wanted anywhere near no 10.
Yes, the Tories do have a very strong share of the "silver" vote but, hopefully that may change when the financial screw is turned and everyone will be affected.
The triple lock will be gone and as we are now seeing, their manifesto doesn't count for too much.'"
That is bang on ,brexit policy and Corbyn drove the working man to Tory,can't see w why people can't understand that
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"More likely to be Labours shambollic Brexit policy and a leader that very few wanted anywhere near no 10.
Yes, the Tories do have a very strong share of the "silver" vote but, hopefully that may change when the financial screw is turned and everyone will be affected.
The triple lock will be gone and as we are now seeing, their manifesto doesn't count for too much.'"
We'll see about pensions but National Insurance is a tax chosen precisely because pensioners don't pay it.
Quote ="JONNYGIANT"Quote ="wrencat1873"More likely to be Labours shambollic Brexit policy and a leader that very few wanted anywhere near no 10.
Yes, the Tories do have a very strong share of the "silver" vote but, hopefully that may change when the financial screw is turned and everyone will be affected.
The triple lock will be gone and as we are now seeing, their manifesto doesn't count for too much.'"
That is bang on ,brexit policy and Corbyn drove the working man to Tory,can't see w why people can't understand that
'" It drove some WWC men to the Tories, God help them. But it also has driven younger voters away from the Tories for a generation. The medium-term demographics for the Tories are horrifying.
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| Quote ="100% Wire"Labour only seem interested in race and gender politics these days. Not really a concern for 99% of people'"
Are you talking about policy or are you talking about what the press want you to think they are talking about?
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| The problem with both national insurance and vat is that they disproportionately affect the less well off. Hence they are regressive rather than progressive taxes.
Taxing those who are more able to pay are progressive taxes.
Increases in regressive taxes runs completely counter to levelling up
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| We have been supplied with the old decommissioned pacer trains from southern railways because ours are still in use to be converted into classrooms for northern children to be educated in. I wonder if these are now classed as new schools.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"We have been supplied with the old decommissioned pacer trains from southern railways because ours are still in use to be converted into classrooms for northern children to be educated in. I wonder if these are now classed as new schools.'"
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| We the people who live north of Watford gap or are you in denial regarding your heritage
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"The problem with both national insurance and vat is that they disproportionately affect the less well off. Hence they are regressive rather than progressive taxes.
Taxing those who are more able to pay are progressive taxes.
Increases in regressive taxes runs completely counter to levelling up'"
Levelling up is/was just another Bojo catch phrase.
The Tory ethos is all about looking after those at the top of the food chain and trying to convince those with some aspiration that they too can join the gang.
Today has seen the manifesto go up in smoke, with NI increased and the Triple Lock on pensions go too.
There will be plenty more to come and the levelling up may be more to do with tax increases than parity with the better off.
All of those small companies who were unable to claim during the pandemic are now to be hit with a further tax on dividends. too.
Many of whom are still trying to recover from having to live on "fresh air" for the last 18 months.
One nation conservatives
And this is just the start of the pay down on the nations debt.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Levelling up is/was just another Bojo catch phrase.
The Tory ethos is all about looking after those at the top of the food chain and trying to convince those with some aspiration that they too can join the gang.
Today has seen the manifesto go up in smoke, with NI increased and the Triple Lock on pensions go too.
There will be plenty more to come and the levelling up may be more to do with tax increases than parity with the better off.
All of those small companies who were unable to claim during the pandemic are now to be hit with a further tax on dividends. too.
Many of whom are still trying to recover from having to live on "fresh air" for the last 18 months.
One nation conservatives
And this is just the start of the pay down on the nations debt.'"
Boris the liar, drops his pledges quicker than he drops his kecks, if that's possible.
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| Beranora put owt on me fags, ale, or chicken tikka, or a’ll notbe votin for Im
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| The next Conservative manifesto will just say “We will say and promise you everything to get elected, whatever you believe so do we, whatever you want we will provide” well right up to the day after the election when it’s back to look after our donors.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"We the people who live north of Watford gap or are you in denial regarding your heritage'"
So what are you saying ,kids in the north are going to get educated in trains
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The next Conservative manifesto will just say “We will say and promise you everything to get elected, whatever you believe so do we, whatever you want we will provide” well right up to the day after the election when it’s back to look after our donors.'"
Isn't that what all the parties say, They all promise you the moon on a stick, till they get elected of course.
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| No with Boris his form is to try to be friends to everyone then when things go wrong he disappears and sends another minister out to try to bat away questions. The problem this time was he allowed the guarantees to be put in writing in the manifesto which he has spectacularly failed to honour. He can quote the pandemic but he had already got a plan several months before the election ready to go therefore one can only presume he knew it was incorrect what was stated and he was happy to stand on this and many other guarantees that turned out not to be worth the paper they were written on. I suppose like the Brexit deal he signed he could attempt to withdraw the manifesto and ask for it to be written again because he didn’t know what he was agreeing to.
I would ask for balance if this was a Labour government would the Conservatives be standing up saying it not the government’s fault but the pandemic. I suppose he tried to look more PM like by having his hair cut but he couldn’t keep it up and had to open his mouth.
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| Quote ="JONNYGIANT"So what are you ,kids in the north are going to get educated in trains
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Try that sentence in English or the closest you can muster because on face value it is a statement due to the fact that some children in the north are to be educated on the old Pacer trains, I agree it is what I posted.
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| No mention anywhere of the pandemic that has ravished the UK finances from the anti Boris brigade. I'm sure Boris would have loved to have stuck to his manifesto pledges but 'things have changed' in the past 18 months. But you knew that, but found it easier to ignore it just to stick the boot in.
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| What about his pledge on no new border checks for Northern Ireland, how did that prove to be incorrect and the fault of the pandemic. What about his ready made Brexit deal which he now wants to reject and have another go, how was this the fault of the pandemic.
If he was so certain that the pandemic was handled to the best of his abilities why will he not start an enquiry or even meet the representatives of those that died. It is not possible to give him a kicking because he is never around to be kicked.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I would ask for balance if this was a Labour government would the Conservatives be standing up saying it not the government’s fault but the pandemic. [uI suppose he tried to look more PM like by having his hair cut but he couldn’t keep it up and had to open his mouth.[/u'"
If this was a Labour government you would in my opinion be defending them especially on the pandemic and the way it's been handled and as for you asking for balance give your head a shake please, if unless of course you believe they would have done things differently being experts in pandemics you would have muddled through like the rest of the world has in most cases.
Not sure what a PM is supposed to look like, maybe you could give us an insight which I doubt very much you can, or is it simply yet another pathetic attempt by you by being sarcastic in an attempt validate your obsession with our beloved Boris, as for paying the bill, the likely outcome of that is the taxpayer which has always been the case which I'm sure you know already, one last question if a labour government had been in power and had to oversee all this business would you expect them to pay the bill or would you expect them to pass it to the taxpayers.
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| Quote ="chissitt"If this was a Labour government you would in my opinion be defending them especially on the pandemic and the way it's been handled and as for you asking for balance give your head a shake please, if unless of course you believe they would have done things differently being experts in pandemics you would have muddled through like the rest of the world has in most cases.
Not sure what a PM is supposed to look like, maybe you could give us an insight which I doubt very much you can, or is it simply yet another pathetic attempt by you by being sarcastic in an attempt validate your obsession with our beloved Boris, as for paying the bill, the likely outcome of that is the taxpayer which has always been the case which I'm sure you know already, one last question if a labour government had been in power and had to oversee all this business would you expect them to pay the bill or would you expect them to pass it to the taxpayers.'"
I would not be defending them if it was a Labour government,
I would prefer taxes on inheritance and higher rate income tax . Not something that disproportionately hits the least well.off
Even vat increases on luxury items. Say 25% on cars over £33 k ?
Paying £1 k extra a year is not half as painful as an extra £130 when you are on £10 k.
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| How can he be your beloved Boris you don’t even vote but yet every post is defending the Conservatives and the PM. I think people would take you more seriously if you backed your stance and voted. With regards how Labour would have handled the pandemic a lot better than Boris or do you find the number of those that died acceptable and his inability to bring in lockdowns a good strategy. He had experts but for the first five meetings he didn’t even bother to attend because he had far more pressing matters like sorting his divorce out and arranging a baby shower. When he did he decided that herd immunity was the way to go after all he was happy to see the bodies mount up and that it would mainly be those over 80 and they’ve had a good innings. I guess these action are acceptable because it was a pandemic after all plus we had two weeks warning what was coming from Italy but what did he do what he does best nothing.
With regards appearances Michael Foot was constantly ridiculed for his appearance by the press and what crime did Corbin commit that merited the usual papers going into meltdown the fact he had his top button undone. We have Boris with shirts that are bulging, his buttons might be fastened but they look like they could become projectiles at any moment.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"[uI would not be defending them if it was a Labour government,[/u
I would prefer taxes on inheritance and higher rate income tax . Not something that disproportionately hits the least well.off
Even vat increases on luxury items. Say 25% on cars over £33 k ?
Paying £1 k extra a year is not half as painful as an extra £130 when you are on £10 k.'"
Not sure if you've noticed but my reply was aimed directly at Mr Pimpernels quote, therefore in this instance your preferences are just that and nothing more, I'm sure your your thought's on the matter are quite important to you but unfortunately mean very little to me as politics is not a subject dear to my heart, but occasionally I sometimes feel the need to respond to certain criticisms of the government of the day as once again my response was aimed at the man/woman on here with the biggest grievance against Boris and Co.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Try that sentence in English or the closest you can muster because on face value it is a statement due to the fact that some children in the north are to be educated on the old Pacer trains, I agree it is what I posted.'"
Ah so some children are going to be educated on trains ,what percentage are we talking about ?
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