There probably is a difference. In WW2 Germans had invaded other countries. It is only right that people should attack the aggressor. In South Africa some would argue that the whites were invaders and so the situation is the same. However, the whites (more than arguably) had a legitimate right to be there by NMs time and they had "developed" the country.

1) Before Nazi Germany invaded any other country, the regime very deliberately and carefully removed political opponents and many of the cultural and intellectual elite that were opposed to it.

2) The ANC campaign did not start from a viewpoint that white South African had no right to be in the country.

As for the 'development', that's a different issue, although there are serious theses out there that Africa as a continent was 'underdeveloped' by the assorted colonialist powers. You'd have to ask tb about that: he knows a very great deal more than me about the subject, having both lived in SA for a decade and studied the history and politics not just of SA but the continent.

Whether they had a right to 'be there' or not, they had no right to treat black people like animals.

When we docked in Simonstown in 1973 it was designated a 'uniform visit' the local authorities said that our black sailors should not wear uniform ashore, the skipper politely told them that we either ALL wore it or no-one did. The racism extended other nationalities as well.

That's the Dutch for you!

But it is easy to look at these things in a moralistic way with the benefit of hindsight. But when the white settlers arrived the black tribal populations were in various phases of development that Europeans had been through, in some cases, thousands of years beforehand - stoneage upwards. The minority white settlers built properity from scratch and could not safely have offered democracy to the indigenous population until their level of cultaural development (for want of a better term) was suffcient. At what point in SA's history that was, I do not know. But given, the "land of the free" (USA) treated its black population represensibly until just a few years before apartheid collapsed with far less "reason" maybe the timing was not too far wrong?

If you want an example of what can go wrong by giving majority rule too early, look at Zimbabwe. A once prosperous country brought to its knees.

PS [uEVERY[/u single black African I spoke to in Zimbabwe and Zambia in the last years of apartheid said they wanted to go to live in SA because their lives would be much better there.

Sometimes I think you've reached the depths of your unpleasantness, and then you go and surprise me all over again.

congratulations on you 10000th post rock god, and how suitable it is!

If you add in the ones from the banned usernames, the actual figure is much higher. Misspent youth, innit.

But you hit the magic X, Rock God, and seemed to grow up in an instant.

Had to happen eventually. I still find farts hilarious though, and I'm not budging on that.

Yeah, well let's not go there.

I'm a middle-aged girlie ...

and I love farts.

Do you prefer smelling your own or tb's?

Aw, no, stop it.

Fitting that a Nick Griffin/BNP thread transgressed into farts?

Farts are much misunderstood. People used to pay money to watch a performer whose act was about farting.

Whilst they probably wouldn't let him on BGT, I'm betting people still would today.

Across the globe, what else produces more happiness in the form of levity and general amusement than farts?

At some basic, universal, fundamental human level, somebody letting one rip is even funnier than all but the best pratfalls.

Long live the fart. Pfffffft.

The noble art of flatulism, as personified by Leonard Rossiter in his biopic of Joseph Pujol, more commonly known as Le Petomane. There used to be competitions in French music halls, with good prizes for the winners. The competition was fierce though. one woman was disqualified for having a whistle up her a[ir[/ise and a bloke was similarly turfed out after follwing through. Pujol could fart the Mllaise

I watched the Italian film on Petomane quite a lot of years ago.
Was quite an amusing movie to be fair.

He's a very naughty boy.

Go on then, if you must.



=#FF0000No. You know perfectly well that would not past the watershed test. Mintball

Just out of interest, how do you recognise Michael Gove from that picture?

Its a picture of an Ar$ole innit !!!!

Oh dear...

Terrorism is deep within most of our own political parties.
We blindly pitty those who aren't allowed the freedom of speech that we are afforded thinking that we are superior in our ways.

BUT. in the days where everything is recorded do you believe all ypou see on the BBC ?

Do you trust the big 3 so called parties with their big guns when waving them at 3rd world oil rich countries to get their own way.

What about the beautiful poppifields who keeps them so lush in a country that carnt grow a dandy lion.

Get used to this.

DRUG , OIL , GOLD , BOMBS AND ROCK N ROLL

the UK is one of the most bullying countries in the world spreading terror at home and away.

We provide it all, the way on terror is lifeline for it.

We allow our own to fall to defend poppi fields which should of been flattened.
We will kill our own for oil.

As for the WOMD FFS!

NICK GRIFFIN is just a anal human being who should of slapped harder when he was born, he's thick and the fact we are writing about him is infamously his epilogue.

In a word he's a #£*%. I dispose the man as he is fighting the wrong people . but he's just thick , stupid and in the well run media . don't get to drawn in.