I understand perfectly well how it works - if it reduces transmission then surely that is a benefit to us all - the major thrust of the vaccine is to reduce the incidences of the virus - otherwise cases remain at current levels but fewer people die or have serious illness.

If that is the case then why have the numbers in Israel dropped off a cliff if the vaccine doesn't suppress transmission?

As yet, there is no proof that the vaccine reduces transmission.
However, if, after having the vaccine, "nobody" get's ill then there will be massively fewer hospitalizations and deaths, which will be a massive "win".

Early studies indicate drastic reduction in transmission by single dose of Oxford vaccine. The Israeli study claims to show huge reduction in transmission after Pfizer vaccine but as yet they have not released data for review. They are highly advanced in their rollout and have the best data in the world on effectiveness. The more data that's gathered the more we will see how the vaccines reduce transmission. And they will.
The Novovax vaccine looks to be the best of them all, in monkey trials the virus didn't even establish itself in the upper airway after dosing. If it can't establish and replicate in the upper airway then it can't spread from one person to another. The vaccine in trials had a very high efficacy. I can see this vaccine being a "second" vaccine that we all get eventually.

As has been indicated above - clear evidence of transmission reduction - perhaps it is you that doesn't understand how vaccines work!!

Interesting that you are so sure about the reduction in transmission after having had the vaccine.
Certainly, our own "experts", although always cautious, are not suggesting this just yet ?

As always, there are a myriad of different opinions as to transmission and it therefore becomes a case of who you should believe.

I hope that you are right but, would have expected that our "experts" and then, of course, Bojo, would be shouting this from the rooftops and as yet, they're not.

Lmao. Plenty of experts are claiming it with studies to back it up. But don’t let that get in the way of another rant at Boris Johnson. You are so obsessed it’s embarassing and unnerving. You are nearly as obsessed with Boris as you are with me

Lmao. Plenty of experts are claiming it with studies to back it up. But don’t let that get in the way of another rant at Boris Johnson. You are so obsessed it’s embarassing and unnerving. You are nearly as obsessed with Boris as you are with me

YOU talk of "embarrassing"

The numbers speak for themselves - nobody could argue that the lockdown has become more severe to drive down transmission. If anything lockdown is weakened since Christmas.

Johnson has got so much wrong he will now be over cautious if anything. Even Hancock yesterday said the rates have plummeted - the only thing that has changed is the vaccine roll out. Even Stevie Wonder can see that, you know it too but your never going to admit on here

Speaking of Hancock, is he going to be moving into new accommodation under Her Majesty’s pleasure any time soon? Considering he, you know, broke the law.

The Tory ethos of taking personal responsibility is only applicable to the poor and powerless and their political opponents.

Completely agree - it was shameful what happened with these contracts - a disgrace.

I can understand the urgency and the need to circumnavigate the tender process but no excuse in giving contracts to firms/individuals who have np experience/expertise in that field.

They rushed the vaccine through but at least the producers had a track record in respect of Pharma.

I was talking about transmission after being vaccinated, rock all to do with lockdown.
It does now seem that Hancock and co are happy that the vaccine does prevent those vaccinated from spreading the virus, although they still dont know whether this is the case with some of the covid variants.
As for lockdown, of course the numbers have come down.

IF "we" had closed our borders and had a proper lockdown previously, as some other nations have done, we could have prevented the 2nd and 3rd lockdown and been on top of the job.

As things are, the vaccine(s) seem to be doing the job and hopefully, things can begin to open up over the summer..

The US closed their borders and the infection rate was amongst the worst in the world. It wouldn't have been practical given the UK is the largest transit hub in Europe. Easy in NZ or Aus.

I agree with much of what you put the vaccine is the game changer - In Israel where a big chunk of people have been vaccinated transmission has fallen off the end of a cliff - which would suggest transmission is slowed down amongst those who have been vaccinated.

Assuming that Boris is right and we are "fully open" in the UK towards the end of June, it will be interesting to see how overseas travel can open up.
The French were citing "the English variant" for a recent spike in their own cases, which doesn't half put the cat among the pigeons as far as overseas travel is concerned.
It's starting to look like vaccine certificates will be here before too long, to add yet another twist to the road to "freedom"

Just getting back to your opening comment. It shouldn't matter what sort of "transit hub" the UK may or may not be.
We should have tightened our border controls way, way more than we did.
There is no point whatsoever in trying to control the virus within the country, if we are going to allow people to fly in and out as the please, it's utterly stupid and it's taken nearly 12 months for government to even begin to realise this.
Of course this would make life more difficult for some but, it's difficult for most people already.

I don't disagree with you but we allowed all those holidays in July and August and most of the people coming into the country in March and April were UK citizens - should they have been banned from coming home?

Uk holiday makers are a huge revenue source for the likes of Spain and Greece - it will be tough to turn those hundreds of millions away again for a second year.

Doubt it. Labour set the precedent for breaking the law with no jail time

Complains about whataboutery one minute.


Engages in whataboutery the next.

Steph has always been a third rate troll, in all of his previous basketball player guises.

Iv'e just had my first jab, the AZ, and they said the side effects might start to........从明天起生效

I havent looked but, there are sure to be vaccine certificates available on line.
Have you developed a sudden taste for dried exotic insects yet

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