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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"So you will aware of what is required to trade on WTO terms and how smooth it can be - that AAT has come in handy for you
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Yes, very it's smooth. Partly because we sea-freight our USD bought stuff in so there's weeks to get the paperwork sorted. And partly because we spend around £150k a year on a team of people who get that paperwork sorted. And then we pay around £1m each month in duty and import VAT. I had forgotten how much you Tories love paperwork and taxes.
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| Quote ="silver2"I guess from your manner that you dont work in PR or front of house.'"
My manner? I'm a perfectly polite and caring individual, just not to socialist keyboard old fogies like you and 886
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| Boris Johnson makes Evgeny Lebedev - son of a KGB spy - a lord. Looking forward to the Johnson fans' take on that one. I wonder if it's got anything to do with that Italian house party Johnson attended? Kompromat, maybe?
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Boris Johnson makes Evgeny Lebedev - son of a KGB spy - a lord. Looking forward to the Johnson fans' take on that one. I wonder if it's got anything to do with that Italian house party Johnson attended? Kompromat, maybe?'"
Gordon Brown made Prescott a Lord, go figure.
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| Quote ="IR80"Gordon Brown made Prescott a Lord, go figure.'"
What's that got to do with anything other than false equivalence and whataboutery?
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"What's that got to do with anything other than false equivalence and whataboutery?'"
wow, you've been reading something other than the takeaway menu... impressed. Welcome to the new world.
Nothing Boris does is right for you, that is why the lunatic left fail time and time again, void of thinking beyond politics of hate.
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| Quote ="IR80"wow, you've been reading something other than the takeaway menu... impressed. Welcome to the new world.
Nothing Boris does is right for you, that is why the lunatic left fail time and time again, void of thinking beyond politics of hate.'"
So you approve of Lebedev in the House of Lords? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"So you approve of Lebedev in the House of Lords? A simple yes or no will suffice.'"
Does have a criminal record? NO
So yes, better than the old b4st4rds tn there from Labour.
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| My guess is Lebedev gave Johnson a call and said, "remember that wild party in Italy? The press took some photos of you in a right state. I've still got the private photos. How about a peerage, comrade?"
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"My guess is Lebedev gave Johnson a call and said, "remember that wild party in Italy? The press took some photos of you in a right state. I've still got the private photos. How about a peerage, comrade?"'"
Guess all you want, whatever keeps you happy mate.
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| Quote ="IR80"Does have a criminal record? NO
So yes, better than the old b4st4rds tn there from Labour.'"
I think you are a classic member of the ostrich club. I suppose Asda could have supplied the Bullingdon club with their pig heads to use in their initiation ceremony, if so based on your belief that because you deal with an organisation you could say you know all about them
You are such an obnoxious idiot who purely relies on insulting people when you can’t defend Johnson and his party. I hope one day you may be able to produce a cogent argument but I am not holding out much expectation based on your posting history.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"My guess is Lebedev gave Johnson a call and said, "remember that wild party in Italy? The press took some photos of you in a right state. I've still got the private photos. How about a peerage, comrade?"'"
How do you think the Whips keep MPs in order on all sides of the house?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"How do you think the Whips keep MPs in order on all sides of the house?'"
Democracy. We'd bloody love some!
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Democracy. We'd bloody love some!'"
We have democracy, it may not be delivering what you want, but last time I checked we have an elected Government and voted to leave the EU (leaving the EU wasn't my choice, but that is what people voted for)
Maybe you need to start finding a way go get rid of the chip on your shoulder, being bitter and angry at the world can't be a great way forward.
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| Quote ="IR80"We have democracy'"
Let's see how much it gets dismantled over this next 4 years.
Cummings isn't there to add even more democracy. He's there to trash the place.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Let's see how much it gets dismantled over this next 4 years.
Cummings isn't there to add even more democracy. He's there to trash the place.'"
You vision of democracy is a Stalin state, I would hate to live in the world of your ideals.
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| Quote ="IR80"You vision of democracy is a Stalin state'"
Is it?
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Democracy. We'd bloody love some!'"
Come on - we have democracy - but you only like it when you get the output you want - typical socialist
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Come on - we have democracy - but you only like it when you get the output you want - typical socialist'"
We have an unelected head of state and an unelected upper house of parliament. Now I'm quite conservative on the head of state thing but the upper chamber we have now is a joke.
The method of electing the lower chamber is also not great but it's democratic, of a fashion.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"We have an unelected head of state and an unelected upper house of parliament. Now I'm quite conservative on the head of state thing but the upper chamber we have now is a joke.
The method of electing the lower chamber is also not great but it's democratic, of a fashion.'"
So, how would you change it, root and branch? It's easy to spout rhetoric whilst not having any real ideas. I am genuinely interested to know what and how you would change.
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| Quote ="IR80"So, how would you change it, root and branch? It's easy to spout rhetoric whilst not having any real ideas. I am genuinely interested to know what and how you would change.'"
House of Lords replaced by a directly elected body of say 300. Elected on fixed, six year terms, with 100 being up for election every two years. They can run for re-election only once and would represent 10 broadly similarly-sized geographic areas on a proportional representational basis (i.e. 10 get voted in each election from each area).
The chamber would inherit from the Lords its powers of oversight and scrutiny which would be reinforced with more powers on areas of governmental misconduct and enforcing constitutional norms (if we must persist with the latter system rather than an actual written constitution). The lower house remains the main legislative arm of government but the upper house ensures the laws being passed are well-written, workable and stand up to constitutional scrutiny.
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| I’d like to see a proportion of ‘Lords’ appointed by lottery, similar to jury service. For the rest, I’d happily get behind Ghost’s suggestion.
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| Pretty much what I had in mind. A limited number in the House of Lords, on a fixed term. What are we at now? Nearly 800? Ridiculous.
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| Quote ="IR80"So, how would you change it, root and branch? It's easy to spout rhetoric whilst not having any real ideas. I am genuinely interested to know what and how you would change.'"
In the Economist's ranking of democracies (Democracy Index) the smaller Nordic countries occupy most of the top places. However, Canada (7th) and Australia (9th) are also ahead of the UK (14th) - so clearly there are examples out there that we can learn from.
We should also try and minimise/ eliminate any interference from non UK organisations and individuals. Anyone who has seen the recent documentary series about Murdoch must surely be appalled at the hold he has had over UK politics for the last 40 years or so - and now of course we have Russian funding of political parties.
Politics has always attracted some pretty questionable characters, but in recent times it has definitely got worse rather than better.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"We have an unelected head of state and an unelected upper house of parliament. Now I'm quite conservative on the head of state thing but the upper chamber we have now is a joke.
The method of electing the lower chamber is also not great but it's democratic, of a fashion.'"
The head of state has no power it is purely ancient history and keeps the tourists coming. The house of lords is a joke and needs disbanding or it needs to reduced to 100 previous senior MPs.
As for elections they are as democratic as they come - you can argue against first past the post and argue for proportional representation - the fact that every adult has a vote and they can vote for whoever is prepared to stand in their ward makes it democratic - what more do you want? Other than have only Labour allowed to stand?
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