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| So your beef is that he shows solidarity to oppressed minority's ?
Seems like part of the job description for a Socialist, you know, someone who doesn't demonise minorities or use their press influence to turn the population against them.
I confess to my only interest in Corbyn is in revisiting Socialism again after a gap of at least 30 years , their could be a place for a leader with a social conscience (after a complete dearth of any) and a willingness to at least consider all points of the argument rather than stick to a dogma written by a shadow.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"So your beef is that he shows solidarity to oppressed minority's ?
Seems like part of the job description for a Socialist, you know, someone who doesn't demonise minorities or use their press influence to turn the population against them.
I confess to my only interest in Corbyn is in revisiting Socialism again after a gap of at least 30 years , their could be a place for a leader with a social conscience (after a complete dearth of any) and a willingness to at least consider all points of the argument rather than stick to a dogma written by a shadow.'"
I dont have a beef with it. I just think he and his supporters should be honest enough to admit that was what it was and defend it on that basis. Rather than pretend he was Terry Waite
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| hat is tiresome is the "establishment" attacking Corbyn and not having many opinions about each other.
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But I thought Corbyn was a far left, dangerous throwback who's economic policies would be akin to Communist Russia? At least that's what most of the million/billionaire-owned media outlets keep telling me.
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But I thought Corbyn was a far left, dangerous throwback who's economic policies would be akin to Communist Russia? At least that's what most of the million/billionaire-owned media outlets keep telling me.
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| With the majority of the press in over-drive warning of the dire consequences of Corbyn becoming Labour leader, the main effect of his election (should that occur) will be to allow the Tories to do a significant right-shift and still be seen as the only electable party of reason.
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| Quote ="Dally"With the majority of the press in over-drive warning of the dire consequences of Corbyn becoming Labour leader, the main effect of his election (should that occur) will be to allow the Tories to do a significant right-shift and still be seen as the only electable party of reason.'"
You really do miss the target with precision at times.
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| Not much chance (unless they rig the contest)of backflip Burnham getting anywhere near now. He was supposed to be the biggest threat.
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"You really do miss the target with precision at times.'"
He does have a valid point, If the press supported a donkey, we would face a strong possibility of that donkey entering number 10 Downing Street.
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| The electorate always gets the government it deserves.
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| I don't believe for one moment that Corbyn can effect any kind of substantive change for the positive in this country - even if some miracle occurs and he somehow finds himself occupying No. 10 Downing Street.
Suffice to say that the breaking "refugee crisis" all but seals his downfall.
From start to finish this has been an engineered crisis executed masterfully in conjunction with the mainstream media.
Stoke up racial tensions for a few years so every third person sees Muslims hiding under the bed. Then turn down the heat for a period whilst you bomb Middle Eastern & North African nations back to the stone age - thus creating a surge of terrified refugees desperate to escape hell back home.
But the real genius was in damming up the flow so that when you allow it to break it literally drowns Europe under a torrent of exiles. Make sure you have plenty of cameras there to film it. Ensure every third story in the newspapers is about our "obligations" to these people - knowing full well that the seeds sown earlier mean this can only result in outrage.
Corbyn is too nice a guy for the sheetstorm which is about to break on Britain. He'll be pilloried for being "too soft" whilst the ultra-right wing parties go gangbusters.
Tory success for decades.
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| Hasn't the rise of Scottish nationalism guaranteed Labour will struggle to get elected for a long time anyway?
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| It's pleasing to know that the Tories can now put together a 10+ year plan. Continuity can't be a bad thing, surely.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Hasn't the rise of Scottish nationalism guaranteed Labour will struggle to get elected for a long time anyway?'"
I think the rise of Scottish nationalism will fall just as quickly once the Scots realize they've been hustled like a wide-eyed kid playing "Hook A Duck" at the fairground.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"I don't believe for one moment that Corbyn can effect any kind of substantive change for the positive in this country - even if some miracle occurs and he somehow finds himself occupying No. 10 Downing Street.
Suffice to say that the breaking "refugee crisis" all but seals his downfall.
From start to finish this has been an engineered crisis executed masterfully in conjunction with the mainstream media.
Stoke up racial tensions for a few years so every third person sees Muslims hiding under the bed. Then turn down the heat for a period whilst you bomb Middle Eastern & North African nations back to the stone age - thus creating a surge of terrified refugees desperate to escape hell back home.
But the real genius was in damming up the flow so that when you allow it to break it literally drowns Europe under a torrent of exiles. Make sure you have plenty of cameras there to film it. Ensure every third story in the newspapers is about our "obligations" to these people - knowing full well that the seeds sown earlier mean this can only result in outrage.
Corbyn is too nice a guy for the sheetstorm which is about to break on Britain. He'll be pilloried for being "too soft" whilst the ultra-right wing parties go gangbusters.
Tory success for decades.'"
Is anything in your weird and paranoid world NOT the result of years/decades of government conspiracy and black ops?
Odd little fellow. Getting more ridiculous every day.
Tory success for decades. Not for the potty teenage reasons you claim but because the Labour Party has shown and continues to show itself incompetent and unelectable, and vast swathes of the population remember the irretrievable mess they've left us in, economically and demographically.
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| Quote ="Cronus"
.........and vast swathes of the population remember the irretrievable mess they've left us in, economically and demographically.'"
Yes we remember what that woman and her dogma driven illogical poodles did and look at the mess the country is in now. The same applies across the pond thanks to the idiot actor and the shrubs who followed.
The whole thing is now blooming as was foretold but then some find it convenient to forget whilst others struggle with joined up thinking allied to a global economy based on greed with little humanity. They planted the seeds.
Strange then that the right wing apologists blame those that suffer the consequences of their actions for the situation occurring in the first place.
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| Quote ="Cronus"
Tory success for decades. Not for the potty teenage reasons you claim but because the Labour Party has shown and continues to show itself incompetent and unelectable, and vast swathes of the population remember the irretrievable mess they've left us in, economically and demographically.'"
We're in a worse mess now, than we were in 2010.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Is anything in your weird and paranoid world NOT the result of years/decades of government conspiracy and black ops?
Odd little fellow. Getting more ridiculous every day.
Tory success for decades. Not for the potty teenage reasons you claim but because the Labour Party has shown and continues to show itself incompetent and unelectable, and vast swathes of the population remember the irretrievable mess they've left us in, economically and demographically.'"
Keep the faith, bro.
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| I have the feeling the SNP dominance of Scotland will last for a while, particularly if they can wangle "special Socttish" things from the UK government. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it all falls apart eventually, but isn't the real challenge for Labour to get itself elected in England and Wales?
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| Quote ="Cronus"Is anything in your weird and paranoid world NOT the result of years/decades of government conspiracy and black ops?
Odd little fellow. Getting more ridiculous every day.
Tory success for decades. Not for the potty teenage reasons you claim but because the Labour Party has shown and continues to show itself incompetent and unelectable, and vast swathes of the population remember the irretrievable mess they've left us in, economically and demographically.'"
Can't really blame a global recession on Labour.
Good to see the Tories making the people who caused the recession pay for it though. The poorest and most vulnerable in our society, rightly paying for their actions in the global markets via austerity. That'll show em.
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"Can't really blame a global recession on Labour.
Good to see the Tories making the people who caused the recession pay for it though. The poorest and most vulnerable in our society, rightly paying for their actions in the global markets via austerity. That'll show em.'"
You can't blame for anything - none of it was their fault they could not have done anything more?
This is the party whose leader congratulated the banks on doing such a good job - you need a reality check.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You can't blame for anything - none of it was their fault they could not have done anything more?
This is the party whose leader congratulated the banks on doing such a good job - you need a reality check.'"
Noooo, it's poor peoples fault - they're paying for their silly mistakes.
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| If the British political system worked as it is SUPPOSED TO I'd be more than willing to make Corbyn favourite as the next leader of the country. His politics are at least within the same solar system as the Common Man's (barring the usual aspirational wannabees and weirdos).
But if the role of Prime Minister ever carried much clout it leaked away a long, long time ago.
I certainly don't think the position has wielded much authority internationally since the humiliating climb-down on Suez.
Political leaders these days are little more than well-paid fall guys. Their job is to divert the public's attention away from the true source of power (big business, finance, defence, drug-trafficking etc.). How long they last in the job really does depend on how well they manage to insulate their benefactors from harmful legislation (or prosecution). Like a sponge they soak up enmity until reaching a point of super-saturation whereupon their masters cut them loose in favour of a new shiny object which will distract the masses.
In the (incredibly rare) event that one of them decides to develop a mind of his own then there are a whole suite of tools designed to remind him of the fragility of his position.
Once out of office they are immediately isolated from prying investigation and quietly go about enjoying the rich rewards they earned from selling their souls.
The whole system is broken from top to bottom.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"
The whole system is broken from top to bottom.'"
I'd say it was working exactly as designed to. There's nothing broken about it.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"I'd say it was working exactly as designed to. There's nothing broken about it.'"
Well, yes. It's all about perspective.
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