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| Quote ="cod'ead"Things really must be getting desperate when the Torygraph's Chief Political Correspondent resorts to writing [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11526188/Ed-Miliband-was-dating-senior-BBC-economics-journalist-Stephanie-Flanders-when-he-was-at-the-Treasury.htmlthis sort of crap[/url. Is that really what he aspired to in journalist school?
It gets worse: [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11525052/Samantha-Cameron-is-twice-as-popular-as-other-leaders-wives-says-poll.htmlSamantha Cameron is more popular than other leaders' wives[/url. The Torygraph seems to be turning into some sort of braodsheet Hello magazine.
Same author BTW'"
For those of you maintain that people vote for their MP at GE's, it's clearly the party's leaders' wives they vote for. What about husbands of female leaders?
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It gets worse: [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11525052/Samantha-Cameron-is-twice-as-popular-as-other-leaders-wives-says-poll.htmlSamantha Cameron is more popular than other leaders' wives[/url. The Torygraph seems to be turning into some sort of braodsheet Hello magazine.
Same author BTW'"
She's got no ar*e. Never trust a woman with no ar*e!
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| Quote ="Dally"She's got no ar*e. Never trust a woman with no ar*e!'"
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| Quote ="cod'ead"[url=http://news.sky.com/story/1461837/tory-dossier-urges-attacks-on-ed-milibandIt's official[/url'"
A fictional character in a political satire said it best:
[i"You know, I've spent ten years detoxifying this party. It's been a bit like renovating an old, old house, yeah? You can take out a sexist beam here, a callous window there, replace the odd homophobic roof tile. But after a while you realise that this renovation is doomed. Because the foundations are built on what I can only describe as a solid bed of c***s."[/i
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| Quote ="DHM"A fictional character in a political satire said it best:
[i"You know, I've spent ten years detoxifying this party. It's been a bit like renovating an old, old house, yeah? You can take out a sexist beam here, a callous window there, replace the odd homophobic roof tile. But after a while you realise that this renovation is doomed. Because the foundations are built on what I can only describe as a solid bed of c***s."[/i'"
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| Well, the Green Party's Party Election broadcast was definitively the most memorable I think I've ever seen
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Well, the Green Party's Party Election broadcast was definitively the most memorable I think I've ever seen
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| In the interest of balance I need to add that the Lab puppy ripped up a LibDem leaflet this morning, so thats 2xLabour and 1xLibdem, we've had no other election literature so far so I'm unable to work out where his allegiances lay.
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| Cameron Stumped by Question from a 10 Yr Old :
David Cameron has rarely come unstuck on the campaign trail so far, batting away questions with his usual smooth, predictable and dull responses.
And when he faced an audience of schoolchildren in Bolton for BBC's Newsround show, he must have been predicting an easy ride.
But he ended up being asked the toughest question of the election campaign so far, as he admitted himself.
“If you could pick one politician apart from yourself to win who would it be and why?” asked Reema, a ten-year-old girl from Salford, Greater Manchester.
The Prime Minister was stumped and - like too many times during this campaign - failed to come up with an answer, saying:
“Wow. If I could pick politician? Would they have to be living or dead?
“If I thought someone else should win the election I would not be standing myself, so I can’t really answer the question about who else I would like to win.
“There are lots of candidates around the country I am very enthusiastic about.
“I am afraid it is too difficult to say I would like someone else to win other than me or I wouldn’t be here, and I am quite keen on winning."
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| Any views on tonight's debacle - sorry, debate?
Terrible. The interrupting Welsh housewife, the angry loony Aussie and the arrogant Scot all aggressively associating themselves with Ed Miliband, in the knowledge that they'll all be begging from his plate should he end up in the driving seat.
Not Farage's best night, never a good idea to insult your audience. But again at least he speaks plainly, rather than the usual headline platitudes that mean absolutely nothing. The Greens also speak plainly, but they're so far removed from reality it's comical and Bennett's shouting was embarrassing. Miliband knew he was the senior politician, clearly visible in his body language.
Will Labour stand by their promise not to align with the SNP in a hung Parliament? That would sway me a little but I'm still not sure I trust them.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Any views on tonight's debacle - sorry, debate?
Terrible. The interrupting Welsh housewife, the angry loony Aussie and the arrogant Scot all aggressively associating themselves with Ed Miliband, in the knowledge that they'll all be begging from his plate should he end up in the driving seat.
Not Farage's best night, never a good idea to insult your audience. But again at least he speaks plainly, rather than the usual headline platitudes that mean absolutely nothing. The Greens also speak plainly, but they're so far removed from reality it's comical and Bennett's shouting was embarrassing. Miliband knew he was the senior politician, clearly visible in his body language.
Will Labour stand by their promise not to align with the SNP in a hung Parliament? That would sway me a little but I'm still not sure I trust them.
Still undecided. But definitely not the Greens or Lib Dems.'"
Although I didn't bother watching the debate, I did follow it on twitter.
What I found particularly annoying was although the tories and limpdems chose not to participate, they were invited to comment in the spin-room. Cameron is being kept well away from the possibility of any questioning by anyone apart from the party faithful.
[url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-left-red-faced-voters-5532730Given this reaction[/url, there's little wonder he's being sheltered
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| [url=https://vinspired.com/blog/the-stark-choice-facing-voters-in-may-if-westeros-was-westminster?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referralThe different houses of Westminster[/url
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| Quote ="Cronus"Any views on tonight's debacle - sorry, debate?
Terrible. The interrupting Welsh housewife, the angry loony Aussie and the arrogant Scot all aggressively associating themselves with Ed Miliband, in the knowledge that they'll all be begging from his plate should he end up in the driving seat.
Not Farage's best night, never a good idea to insult your audience. But again at least he speaks plainly, rather than the usual headline platitudes that mean absolutely nothing. The Greens also speak plainly, but they're so far removed from reality it's comical and Bennett's shouting was embarrassing. Miliband knew he was the senior politician, clearly visible in his body language.
Will Labour stand by their promise not to align with the SNP in a hung Parliament? That would sway me a little but I'm still not sure I trust them.
Still undecided. But definitely not the Greens or Lib Dems.'"
I think Labour are taking the gamble that they dont need the SNP. That when push comes to shove on the major votes the SNP will abstain rather than bring down a Labour government and put the Tories back in.
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| Quote ="Cibaman"I think Labour are taking the gamble that they dont need the SNP. That when push comes to shove on the major votes the SNP will abstain rather than bring down a Labour government and put the Tories back in.'"
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| Quote ="cod'ead"The tories have conveniently forgotten that they propped up a minority SNP government in Scotland'"
The SNP would much prefer a Tory government. They just can't be say it in public.
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| Quote ="Cibaman"The SNP would much prefer a Tory government. They just can't be say it in public.'"
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| Since he jumped ship from the Torygraph, it looks like Peter Oborne is becoming less enamoured with the tory party and their press attack dogs
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| The pathetic first past the post system will deliver a strange democratic result in Scotland. SNP with 40% of the vote will gain 90% of the seats.
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| Quote ="DVW"The pathetic first past the post system will deliver a strange democratic result in Scotland. SNP with 40% of the vote will gain 90% of the seats.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"The tories have conveniently forgotten that they propped up a minority SNP government in Scotland'"
Also the Tory voters in Scotland had to go somewhere, they didn't just vanish (or vote Lib Dems)
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| Quote ="DONSONTOP"If only a party in England could muster 40% of the votes!!!!!!'"
Looks like it's only the tories that now refuse to accept that the FPTP system is way past its sell-by date.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Looks like it's only the tories that now refuse to accept that the FPTP system is way past its sell-by date.
Abolish the HoL and replace it with a Regional Parliament and introduce PR for the HoC.
For those who maintain PR would only lead to confusion and obfuscation, I suggest they look at some of our European neighbours, they seem to make it work'"
It's actually something I've changed my mind on.
I used to support FPTP, thinking it's simpler, everyone votes for the 3 main parties anyway, and it means you know who (individual) you're voting for.
But after seeing the effect that minor parties can have and the support they have I would now support PR.
As an example, let's say you're a left wing voter who support virtually all the Green Party policies and would love to vote for them, or alternatively you're a right wing voter who supports UKIP. Under FPTP it's highly likely your vote will be wasted in your constituency as those parties are highly unlikely to get the MP and, by voting for your favoured party you could help your least favoured party (Labour or Tory) get in.
Under PR you can vote for your favoured party.
I've always thought we needed a different House of Lords. It's a complete mish mash of a system. I've always wondered whether it would be an option to have some kind of "Expert" House of Lords. Whereby the members would be a variety of experts in different fields. From Health, Education, Science, Business, Social, Sport, Defence, Religion etc. But it's probably impractical.
Other than that I'd favour some kind of regional representation but would serve for say a 10 year rather than 5 year term.
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Will Labour stand by their promise not to align with the SNP in a hung Parliament? That would sway me a little but I'm still not sure I trust them.
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They won't. If the SNP want a different direction and to keep the Tories out as they say they do then [iit is they[/i will have to align with Labour which means support the Labour policies they agree with and vote against those they don't.
What they won't be able to do is prevent the Trident renewal for example. Whether you are for or against that I don't know but what is bound to happen is Labour will vote for it, the SNP against it but it will go through because the Tories will vote for it. 100% nailed on certainty. All the stories about Britain's Nuclear deterrent being at risk due to a Labour/SNP alliance are complete hogwash for this reason.
Will the SNP try to influence policy of the Labour govt? Well of course. If they have 40 odd seats they would try to influence the direction of any government but without being in a formal coalition they only way they can really do that is vote on a policy by policy basis because it won't be them writing the Queens Speech and voting like that gives very little influence anyway. They only way they "win" a vote under those circumstances is if the Tories they profess to hate vote with them.
I doubt they would even get far by proposing amendments to bills either because to get them through they would have to have the Tories supporting SNP amendments to Labour bills the Tories will undoubtedly completely oppose. The SNP won't be able to force Labour to do anything much for this reason.
If the SNP start horse trading with the Tories to try and extract concessions or amendments to Labour bills they supposedly support their credibility goes down the pan.
No doubt the SNP will try and portray things like the repeal of the health and social care bill as something only voted through because of them and that may well be true purely on the numbers but in reality they will have to follow the Labour lead.
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| Yep. The SNP aren't going to be able to force Labour to do anything they don't really want to.
The same is true of UKIP and the Tories.
Where it gets tricky/interesting is the role the Lib Dems might play.
As for Trident, you're right, it's going to be renewed but I wonder if the basis of some kind of Labour/SNP deal might be that they'll move the weapons out of Scotland.
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