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I was having self esteem issues before reading these recent posts, now I can add feelings of utter inconsequentiality.
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I wouldn't call it a mistake, as first it fits most observed and observable evidence, and second is just that, a theory, albeit a scientific and rigorously explored, addressed and investigated theory.
Also because the phrase "Big Bang" is just a simplistic analogy based on what happens in normal explosions with which we are all familiar, but unfortunately the true "appearance" of a theoretical Big Bang isn't something our brains are capable of visualising; in any explosion, there is an outisde space, and something within it explodes, and the bits fly out. But in this case, the whole point is that ther WAS no "outside". The expanding Universe is all there is. Certainly from our perspective.
After a while, thinking this over does your head in: if the Universe is infinite, how can it be "expanding"? If it all appeared out of nothing, where does all the something come from? And of course wtf is 95% of it, anyway?
It's just as it should be that many clever people challenge and investigate BB theory, but the thing is that I don't have any perception of any clique or class of scientists who would stubbornly cling to the existing BB theory despite any evidence or alternative theories to any contrary explanation, on this one, I think they all just want to know and it is not a "closed minds" scenario.
We don't know much, but what we do know has such weird and magical elements all over the place that nothing would surprise me. For example, do black holes exist? Maybe not, not in the way we popularly know them, anyway. We are all familiar with the "event horizon", notionally a boundary which if you cross, nothing can escape, as the black hole's gravity is too strong. But this turns out to be a fallacy, it turns out that you could fly your spaceship beyond the event horizon, then turn round and emerge safely - as long as you had enough petrol! It's objects travelling through space which don't have a propellant - even light - that can't escape beyond a certain point, but they could if they had engines to assist them.
And it's a fuzzy boundary too, all scientists are familiar with matter and anti-matter pairs (these pop into existence from an apparent nowhere all the time, then annihilate each other (cancel each other out) and so disappear again. (Where do they come from, and how TF does [ithat[/i work? But it's a strange bit of factual knowledge that we have learned and is now trite. Did you now, for example that in hospitals, radioactive molecules that emit anti-matter particles are used for imaging in a technique known as positron emission tomography?).
Then you have entangled particle pairs, which "know" what is happening to each other even at great distance. That is, nothing can travel faster than light. But however far you separate entangled pairs, an action on one is simultaneously mirrored in the other. That is, there is no communication lag. At all. It happens at the same time.
But if you have an entangled pair pop into creation near a black hole at the margins, what if one particle can escape the black hole but the other is drawn in? We should therefore be able to detect these "orphan" particles being "emitted" from the area around the black hole!
And we don't even know the full collection of atomic particles. Why, two more were [url=http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26345-two-new-strange-and-charming-particles-appear-at-lhc.html#.VDZ13NLjY8kdiscovered only yesterday
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I wouldn't call it a mistake, as first it fits most observed and observable evidence, and second is just that, a theory, albeit a scientific and rigorously explored, addressed and investigated theory.
Also because the phrase "Big Bang" is just a simplistic analogy based on what happens in normal explosions with which we are all familiar, but unfortunately the true "appearance" of a theoretical Big Bang isn't something our brains are capable of visualising; in any explosion, there is an outisde space, and something within it explodes, and the bits fly out. But in this case, the whole point is that ther WAS no "outside". The expanding Universe is all there is. Certainly from our perspective.
After a while, thinking this over does your head in: if the Universe is infinite, how can it be "expanding"? If it all appeared out of nothing, where does all the something come from? And of course wtf is 95% of it, anyway?
It's just as it should be that many clever people challenge and investigate BB theory, but the thing is that I don't have any perception of any clique or class of scientists who would stubbornly cling to the existing BB theory despite any evidence or alternative theories to any contrary explanation, on this one, I think they all just want to know and it is not a "closed minds" scenario.
We don't know much, but what we do know has such weird and magical elements all over the place that nothing would surprise me. For example, do black holes exist? Maybe not, not in the way we popularly know them, anyway. We are all familiar with the "event horizon", notionally a boundary which if you cross, nothing can escape, as the black hole's gravity is too strong. But this turns out to be a fallacy, it turns out that you could fly your spaceship beyond the event horizon, then turn round and emerge safely - as long as you had enough petrol! It's objects travelling through space which don't have a propellant - even light - that can't escape beyond a certain point, but they could if they had engines to assist them.
And it's a fuzzy boundary too, all scientists are familiar with matter and anti-matter pairs (these pop into existence from an apparent nowhere all the time, then annihilate each other (cancel each other out) and so disappear again. (Where do they come from, and how TF does [ithat[/i work? But it's a strange bit of factual knowledge that we have learned and is now trite. Did you now, for example that in hospitals, radioactive molecules that emit anti-matter particles are used for imaging in a technique known as positron emission tomography?).
Then you have entangled particle pairs, which "know" what is happening to each other even at great distance. That is, nothing can travel faster than light. But however far you separate entangled pairs, an action on one is simultaneously mirrored in the other. That is, there is no communication lag. At all. It happens at the same time.
But if you have an entangled pair pop into creation near a black hole at the margins, what if one particle can escape the black hole but the other is drawn in? We should therefore be able to detect these "orphan" particles being "emitted" from the area around the black hole!
And we don't even know the full collection of atomic particles. Why, two more were [url=http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26345-two-new-strange-and-charming-particles-appear-at-lhc.html#.VDZ13NLjY8kdiscovered only yesterday | | | |
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Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I wouldn't call it a mistake, as first it fits most observed and observable evidence, and second is just that, a theory, albeit a scientific and rigorously explored, addressed and investigated theory.
Also because the phrase "Big Bang" is just a simplistic analogy based on what happens in normal explosions with which we are all familiar, but unfortunately the true "appearance" of a theoretical Big Bang isn't something our brains are capable of visualising; in any explosion, there is an outisde space, and something within it explodes, and the bits fly out. But in this case, the whole point is that ther WAS no "outside". The expanding Universe is all there is. Certainly from our perspective.
After a while, thinking this over does your head in: if the Universe is infinite, how can it be "expanding"? If it all appeared out of nothing, where does all the something come from? And of course wtf is 95% of it, anyway?
It's just as it should be that many clever people challenge and investigate BB theory, but the thing is that I don't have any perception of any clique or class of scientists who would stubbornly cling to the existing BB theory despite any evidence or alternative theories to any contrary explanation, on this one, I think they all just want to know and it is not a "closed minds" scenario.
We don't know much, but what we do know has such weird and magical elements all over the place that nothing would surprise me. For example, do black holes exist? Maybe not, not in the way we popularly know them, anyway. We are all familiar with the "event horizon", notionally a boundary which if you cross, nothing can escape, as the black hole's gravity is too strong. But this turns out to be a fallacy, it turns out that you could fly your spaceship beyond the event horizon, then turn round and emerge safely - as long as you had enough petrol! It's objects travelling through space which don't have a propellant - even light - that can't escape beyond a certain point, but they could if they had engines to assist them.
And it's a fuzzy boundary too, all scientists are familiar with matter and anti-matter pairs (these pop into existence from an apparent nowhere all the time, then annihilate each other (cancel each other out) and so disappear again. (Where do they come from, and how TF does [ithat[/i work? But it's a strange bit of factual knowledge that we have learned and is now trite. Did you now, for example that in hospitals, radioactive molecules that emit anti-matter particles are used for imaging in a technique known as positron emission tomography?).
Then you have entangled particle pairs, which "know" what is happening to each other even at great distance. That is, nothing can travel faster than light. But however far you separate entangled pairs, an action on one is simultaneously mirrored in the other. That is, there is no communication lag. At all. It happens at the same time.
But if you have an entangled pair pop into creation near a black hole at the margins, what if one particle can escape the black hole but the other is drawn in? We should therefore be able to detect these "orphan" particles being "emitted" from the area around the black hole!
And we don't even know the full collection of atomic particles. Why, two more were [url=http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26345-two-new-strange-and-charming-particles-appear-at-lhc.html#.VDZ13NLjY8kdiscovered only yesterday |
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Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I wouldn't call it a mistake, as first it fits most observed and observable evidence, and second is just that, a theory, albeit a scientific and rigorously explored, addressed and investigated theory.
Also because the phrase "Big Bang" is just a simplistic analogy based on what happens in normal explosions with which we are all familiar, but unfortunately the true "appearance" of a theoretical Big Bang isn't something our brains are capable of visualising; in any explosion, there is an outisde space, and something within it explodes, and the bits fly out. But in this case, the whole point is that ther WAS no "outside". The expanding Universe is all there is. Certainly from our perspective.
After a while, thinking this over does your head in: if the Universe is infinite, how can it be "expanding"? If it all appeared out of nothing, where does all the something come from? And of course wtf is 95% of it, anyway?
It's just as it should be that many clever people challenge and investigate BB theory, but the thing is that I don't have any perception of any clique or class of scientists who would stubbornly cling to the existing BB theory despite any evidence or alternative theories to any contrary explanation, on this one, I think they all just want to know and it is not a "closed minds" scenario.
We don't know much, but what we do know has such weird and magical elements all over the place that nothing would surprise me. For example, do black holes exist? Maybe not, not in the way we popularly know them, anyway. We are all familiar with the "event horizon", notionally a boundary which if you cross, nothing can escape, as the black hole's gravity is too strong. But this turns out to be a fallacy, it turns out that you could fly your spaceship beyond the event horizon, then turn round and emerge safely - as long as you had enough petrol! It's objects travelling through space which don't have a propellant - even light - that can't escape beyond a certain point, but they could if they had engines to assist them.
And it's a fuzzy boundary too, all scientists are familiar with matter and anti-matter pairs (these pop into existence from an apparent nowhere all the time, then annihilate each other (cancel each other out) and so disappear again. (Where do they come from, and how TF does [ithat[/i work? But it's a strange bit of factual knowledge that we have learned and is now trite. Did you now, for example that in hospitals, radioactive molecules that emit anti-matter particles are used for imaging in a technique known as positron emission tomography?).
Then you have entangled particle pairs, which "know" what is happening to each other even at great distance. That is, nothing can travel faster than light. But however far you separate entangled pairs, an action on one is simultaneously mirrored in the other. That is, there is no communication lag. At all. It happens at the same time.
But if you have an entangled pair pop into creation near a black hole at the margins, what if one particle can escape the black hole but the other is drawn in? We should therefore be able to detect these "orphan" particles being "emitted" from the area around the black hole!
And we don't even know the full collection of atomic particles. Why, two more were [url=http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26345-two-new-strange-and-charming-particles-appear-at-lhc.html#.VDZ13NLjY8kdiscovered only yesterday | | | |
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| First image in the history of humanity taken from the surface of a comet
As the harpoons didn't fire, Philae actually "bounced" a couple of times on the surface. The comet's gravity is astonishingly weak, but is there, and so does attract Philae, however tenuously. It's settled now, and tweeted:
Quote Philae Lander ✔ @Philae2014
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Hello! An update on life on #67P - Yesterday was exhausting! I actually performed 3 landings,15:33, 17:26 & 17:33 UTC. Stay tuned for more'"
A full panorama from Philae will be revealed at the press conference 1pm today and will be put up on the [url=http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2014/11/Welcome_to_a_cometESA site[/url
Compared with the moon landings, I'm a bit peeved actually at how many people don't give a fsck about this, and equally how few even have a clue as to what an absolutely astonishing, mind-blowing achievement this is. Shame how the world has dumbed-down. | | |
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| It’s a fantastic achievement & the possible implications make the lunar landings pale into insignificance.
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Yep. Maybe they should've tried landing Philae on Kim Kardashian's arsse instead.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Yep. Maybe they should've tried landing Philae on Kim Kardashian's arsse instead.'"
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"First image in the history of humanity taken from the surface of a comet
As the harpoons didn't fire, Philae actually "bounced" a couple of times on the surface. The comet's gravity is astonishingly weak, but is there, and so does attract Philae, however tenuously. It's settled now, and tweeted:
A full panorama from Philae will be revealed at the press conference 1pm today and will be put up on the [url=http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2014/11/Welcome_to_a_cometESA site[/url
Compared with the moon landings, I'm a bit peeved actually at how many people don't give a fsck about this, and equally how few even have a clue as to what an absolutely astonishing, mind-blowing achievement this is. Shame how the world has dumbed-down.'"
Agreed. This is mind blowingly fantastic.To actually land on a 2 mile long piece of rock/ice travelling at 30 thousand MPH 300 million miles away is just brilliantly amazing. The whole world should be in awe of this.
Hopefully if they do decide to try and move Philea(sp) that too is succesful and we get even better images and data. cant wait for the next updates.Imagine if we could have watched it all live........... | | |
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| As you were. Nothing to see here. [url=http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=1119284It's all just a hoax[/url
Quote ...There we have it. A hoax and a very bad hoax. In addition, it is luring unsuspecting young boys into ballistic fervor and via that into sodomy.'"
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Elmer has quite the thing for sodomy doesn't he? Hiding in plain sight and all that.
Was delighted to see my mate's sister as one of the ones going ballistic when Philae landed. Not sure how involved in it all she's been but great to see her there anyway.
I just hope they can sort out the power issue quickly or it might go very quiet very soon. It's an amazing achievement whatever happens | | |
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Just to hark back to the comparison between the Philae landing and the Apollo moon landings and the question of the hype (or lack of it) attached to both, as a 12 year old at the time of the Apollo 11 moon landing I can confirm that it was a huge story and not one single element of the media did not carry wall-to-wall coverage of the whole eight day mission even to the extent where the BBC opened up transmission times at a time where breakfast TV was unknown (other than for major events like Olympic Games).
Other than the mind shattering fact that it was a manned mission to another planet (well ok, a moon) there had been a constant feed of missions building up to it, I only recently realised how quickly they had been firing off manned rockets in 1968 and 69 and the first manned craft to leave earths orbit had only happened seven months before and only three more missions took place before the moon landing.
So the news coverage came thick and fast in that year and with the limitation of just three TV channels you couldn't really miss it and in addition to that, the cherry on the cake, was that NASA were very pro-active in their publicity work and were more than happy to send out A4 colour photos from previous Apollo and Gemini missions, on eof our English Masters (we didn't have plain old teachers at grammar school you know) wrote to Nasa and received pretty quickly a big portfolio of photos and information on their work which was like having the holy grail posted to your school.
So yes, the hype in that one or two year period was intense and I was one of those who got up at some ridiculous hour in the middle of the night to watch Neil Armstrong step onto the moon even though the images were so bad that you could have been watching anything, it just felt like a huge life event, live on TV.
In many ways the Philae landing is even more remarkable but given the fact that non-star-watchers were completely unaware of it until this week, given that its taken years to get to this point with no other missions or any importance attached to it, and given that its not American then its hardly surprising that there has not been anything like the life important "happening" attached to it, more the pity.
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But the numbers, though. Something about this hoax landing simply [url=http://freetofindtruth.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/33-philae-space-probe-comet-landing-hoax.htmldoesn't add up[/url
Anyway it is all lies since as most of us now accept, the world is concave. You only need add watch?v=XrcwpwhChUg into a popular video site and there is the proof.
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It's ALIVE!
Quote From 2.9 billion miles away, NASA's New Horizons spacecraft let its handlers know on Saturday that it has awakened from hibernation and is ready for the climax of its nine-year trip to Pluto.
The first signals were received at the mission's control at Johns Hopkins University's Applied Physics Laboratory in Maryland via a giant radio antenna in Australia just before 9:30 p.m. ET, nearly four and a half hours after it was sent by the piano-sized probe. It takes that long for signals to travel between there and here at the speed of light.
www.nbcnews.com/science/space/it ... rk-n262996
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Funnily enough we don't actually have ANY decent images of Pluto, at all, ever. People seem to assume we have images of everything, but in Pluto's case, they're wrong. Even the best Hubble images show nothing but vague patches.
Date for your diary is July 14 when New Horizons will make it's flypast of Pluto and nod oubt some approach images wll start appearing befoe then too. Fascinating to see what good ole Pluto actually looks like. |
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Quote From 2.9 billion miles away, NASA's New Horizons spacecraft let its handlers know on Saturday that it has awakened from hibernation and is ready for the climax of its nine-year trip to Pluto.
The first signals were received at the mission's control at Johns Hopkins University's Applied Physics Laboratory in Maryland via a giant radio antenna in Australia just before 9:30 p.m. ET, nearly four and a half hours after it was sent by the piano-sized probe. It takes that long for signals to travel between there and here at the speed of light.
www.nbcnews.com/science/space/it ... rk-n262996
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Funnily enough we don't actually have ANY decent images of Pluto, at all, ever. People seem to assume we have images of everything, but in Pluto's case, they're wrong. Even the best Hubble images show nothing but vague patches.
Date for your diary is July 14 when New Horizons will make it's flypast of Pluto and nod oubt some approach images wll start appearing befoe then too. Fascinating to see what good ole Pluto actually looks like. | |
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Anyone know a good stargazing app for an iphone.
I was wanting that one where you turn your camera on point it at the sky and it tells you what star you are looking at.
anyone any ideas
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