I'm not suggesting anyone is a liar, just giving a one-sided and distorted view.



Wow, portacabins hey, way worse than being told not to open a business.
LOCOG and the councils can suggest what ever they want, and I've no doubt they have, but I also doubt "they" have ordered anyone to close up shop.

Reducing the number of vehicles in London has been done with the agreement of service providers, if they wanted they could have as many vehicles on the streets of London as they wished, there is nothing in the Games legislation or the London Local Authorities act that allows anyone to prevent them.

Lots of I've heards and third party quotes, not that many facts though.

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Quote ="Durham Giant"When i find a nice one of Liebknecht or Luxembourg i wil be happy to change it ( assuming i have the technical ability to do it.)'" Perhaps if you made the tiniest of efforts ... www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 1AWfw4D4Cw www.google.com/search?hl=en&clie ... 0QX564HYBQ Quote ="Durham Giant"But as you mention my avatar now [size=150everytime[/size you challenge one of my posts ...'" No. I don't. I do, however, find it amusing that you witter on about brands or, as previously, about poppies – ie the symbols that people choose to wear – and then you label yourself here with one that can be interpreted the way I have illustrated. Quote ="Durham Giant"I would also guess ...'" Indeed.

Hardly "one-sided", given the hype, for years, about how much the economy will benefit etc.



I haven't commented on that situation – except to point out a fact about who allowed it. As it happens, apparently, they're nowhere near as bad as the [iWail[/i tried to claim. But then again, it was also claiming that the council had voted to allow the situation – when the council had never had any such vote or any involvement whatsoever in the decisions surrounding this. I know this directly from a councillor there that I happen to know.



Go back and read what I actually posted.

And they have the power to completely remove Newham Council from the equation and create the accommodation for the cleaners without any recourse to the council, planning permission or anything else. It's irrelevant whether that accommodation is good, bad or indifferent: the point here is that Locog has that power and has used it.



So deliveries outside of usual hours are 'voluntary'? Are you sure of this?

I return to the question I asked earlier: are you supportive of landlords evicting tenants in order to hike rents for the Games?

Good to see Cameroon going for gold in [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/9458906/Cameroon-athletes-missing-from-London-2012-Olympics-amid-asylum-fears.htmlThe Olympic Hide & Seek[/url

Yes it is, you wouldn't accept that standard of evidence in a debate, the people with the catering business will have had plenty of notice.



Where did I day that?



No. But if you are still on about that catering business that is a totally different proposition to landlords evicting tenants from their houses and flats.

I would suggest sites like Play are a very cheap source of reading material especially many books can be bought and delivered for as little as £3 - significantly less than the opportunity cost of visiting your library. Very likely the choice at Play will swamp anything your local library will offer. An example Before I go to sleep £2.79, 50 shades of grey £3.85 etc

The "opportunity cost" of visiting a local library ?

Thats your local free library, the one thats free to join and free to loan books from ?

When was the last time you went to your local free library and browsed its multitude of books for half an hour or so, have you ever been to your local free library, let alone costed up the "opportunity cost" of so doing ?

Its one thing to visit an online retailer when you know what you want, but you will never get the browsing experience of a real-life bookshelf in a virtual environment, its simply impossible to select an online book, flick it open half way through and read a couple of pages to see if its grabbing your attention during any book's "flat" phase - sure they all start off at 100mph because most people browse the first page or so to be hooked - you want to look 100 pages in to see whats going on before selecting, I was going to say "buying" but I haven't yet put my "opportunity cost" on a free library book yet.

it takes a special kind of individual to ignore all available evidence

That's because Sal obviously doesn't understand what opportunity cost means.

I would suggest a half hour of my time is worth more than the £3 it costs to get the book delivered to my door - my employer thinks so

. For me I want to get into a book and the characters - reading 10 pages in the middle doesn't give me much of feel for the characters and the plot. Horses for courses I suppose.

I would suggest as usual you are struggling with comprehension - maybe you need to visit your local library?

I would suggest its you that has the problem if you think that by visiting a library you have somehow lost out compared to an alternative. It's free.
Maybe you never got that pay rise from your employer because you were always online looking for books instead of doing that in your spare time like everyone else. When you go out for a drink with your friends do you invoice them for the time spent with them?

Good to see that one of the most jingoistic of British tabloids has managed to make a balls-up on the front page.

Here's the Daily Express celebrating yesterday's British gold medals. Only problem is, it's a photo of the Dutch dressage team:

50 Shades of Grey?

FFS we're talking about books here, not some soft-core, chick-lit, pulp-fiction trash

Opportunity cost is very subjective - would I rather shop at play and use the extra time to play golf with my son who is moving to Australia in September than meander through a library. To me the opportunity cost of visiting the library is very expensive.

So how on earth do you choose your book in the first place ?

You go online and see what is on Amazon's best seller list and just buy those ?
You walk into a second hand book shop and ask which book they have the most copies of and buy those on the basis that they must have been popular six months ago ?

You've never browsed in a library have you, you've never read sleeve notes and then picked a section at random to see what the prose are hung together like ?

I pity anyone who has never had that experience.

I especially pity anyone who thinks that half an hour on a Saturday morninh has to be costed out to see where their time would be best spent, or anyone who actually thinks that they are worth £xxx per hour.

How much do you bill your son for the four hour golf session ?

Sal Paradise – the individual who believes that, in "the real world", everyone can afford to buy whatever books they want; all sports facilities (and any other facilities) can be afforded by anyone – well, anyone worthwhile. Because if they can't afford books or sports facilities (including golf) then they jolly well don't deserve nice things.

And that's why he's never been in a library, doesn't actually know what else goes on in a library, will only discuss the issue from his personal perspective and would, presumably, be perfectly happy for all libraries to be closed and even more people thrown onto the dole so that he can then complain that they're scroungers.

The length of notice or otherwise was never my point.





So it's an agreement – ergo it's voluntary.



I'm not. I'm 'on about' your apparent belief that everything is hunky dory really, McDonalds and co really do need defending from nasty corner shops etc. If that's the case, can we assume that, in the name of profit, it's fine for landlords to evict tenants in order to make more money?

As an aside, had my hair cut last night (Marchmont Street). The salon owner is yet another business person saying that business has been hit.

Although, to be fair, you don't need to browse long to find something like this:

If you're watching the Lympics, make sure you smile:

Gove's continued commitment to the Olympic legacy knows no bounds. After approving school field sell-offs, cutting funding for school sports activities, he's now abolished the [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9459469/Olympic-legacy-Coalition-axes-school-sports-targets.htmltwo hours of sports activity per week[/url

Its a good job those Surrey police officers were still in the police station having their breakfasts when those spectators started painting slogans all over the road



Its also to be hoped that they don't ever get invited to police sections of Le Tour (or maybe they will) as they'd find that spectators don't just sit on walls, they like to form a tunnel along the road for the cyclists to ride through - getting within inches of a competitors face is par for the course on Le Tour



And what on earth would they make of Didi Senft [urlhttp://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=2378[/url

Any chance we could leave this as an OLYMPICS thread and leave the cock measuring contest about Books on another thread

LOL