The Daily Mail act like we don't already have spongers and criminals, can we build a wall round Wigan and stop them entering England?

Well suppose that's one way to go!

I've often wondered about issuing death certificates if a person died in the air. I know from research you can get birth & death certificates "at sea", but I wonder how they go about it "in the air". Would it be the coroner for the country in which you were landing in or left? Same with the registrar.

Think it might be the country's airspace they are in

Is it not where the plane is registered?

Would you be comfortable acting as an unpaid border guard?

After all, the buses you drive are subject to massive taxpayer subsidy, so why shouldn't you be checking the "rights" of anyone taking advantage of such taxpayer generosity?

Migrant workers are net contributors to the state, if the state chooses not to invest that contribution back into effective deployment of adequate resource, that is a problem of the state, not of migrant workers.

As for deterring people from visiting doctors or hospitals, how will you feel when there is a TB epidemic?

I drove, not done that for a good few years.
And there's a little difference to subsidiary payments compared to zero contribution maximum allowance of a system.

I'm not blaming migrants nor am I deterring them from seeing a doctor but if they haven't contributed to the health service why should I be forced through Ni contribution and they roll up and get it for nothing. They want it then they pay for it like I would be expected to do in say USA if I was on holiday.

Like I say I've no issue with migrant workers as long as infrastructure is designed to take them seamlessly, if we are short or over stretched in any public service then open doors to millions is just idiotic.

As for a TB epidemic wouldn't an open policy with strict conditions including health checks be a better system rather than a simple opendoor policy with zero conditions other than being of Europe?

It's what we signed up to.

Put your xenophobia back in the closet and get over it

I wonder how the Wail and Depress readers felt when Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, and Cyprus went down the proverbial.

Were they wailing and gnashing over their cornflakes/continental breakfast?

Were we not INVADED by hordes from these countries who were at the bottom of the pile coming over here etc.?

Well seeing as you asked



This is absolutely true as related to me by an uncle who knew the two blokes involved.

When my dads flatmate had reached a point of near death with his liver failure - he'd never sought medical opinion or taken any drugs other than pain killers but knew exactly what was happening - he rang two of his friends at home and asked them to fly out to Benidorm and book three flights home, they were there within a couple of days and got him to Alicante and on a plane.

An hour into the flight they tried to wake him up but couldn't, it was then that they realised that he'd expired and rather than tell anyone and be involved with all sorts of hassle at Leeds/Bfd Airport they frog-marched him off the plane telling everyone he was drunk, wangled a wheelchair for him and got him out to a taxi - he was declared dead on arrival at the LGI.

Absolutely true and as fine a send off as I could think for him, he would have thought it hilarious and would have included the tale in his stage act for sure.

Just driving through Boston,Lincs - 3 coaches from Sofia unloading already.

Now I know where the plot of Weekend at Bernies came from

It's not xenophobic it's logistics, typical of the left wing if it sounds right wing attack the person.

We don't currently have the infrastructure to cope, I don't care which governments fault it is, they're all as bad as each other, the truth is school don't have places and hospitals are overrun, overworked and underfunded.

If it was Britain 2 and Britain 3 instead of Romania and Bulgaria I'd still think the same, it's a numbers thing that's it.
So are you going to join the adults now or do I lower myself to your childish level?

No piccies?

FOR EVIDENCE?

Just driving through Sofia - 3 coaches from Boston, Lincs unloading already!
Pah, it's easy this!

Sorry, didn't mean to suggest that you thought that.

I agree to a point. The system will do ok in the good times when it's getting real terms increases but when it's not then it's going to struggle and any additional call on the system isn't good.
Like with most immigration issues there is generally only a problem when one area has to deal with a large proportion of immigrants, be they long or short term.

I understand there is effectively a "waiting period" for new EU entrants where they are expected to adopt most EU rules eg ECHR, trade regulations etc but aren't eligible for all aspects, which is why it's only now that Bulgarians are allowed to come here. IIRC I think it's been 7 years, maybe that should be extended to something like 15 years? And a proper plan to help get new entrants economies up to a more similar level. I know there's a transition fund but it doesn't seem to have much impact.
Also is forcing new entrants to join the Euro a good idea?

I'm sure there are things we can do here to alleviate the effects, the increasing use of recruitment agencies isn't helpful in this regard.
Also more government money for areas effected by immigration would be helpful.

This is a statement I have heard made many times but I haven't seen any evidence to back it up. Are you able to link to any?

Just curious.

This was a problem in certain towns following the influx of eastern Europeans post 2004. I remember one programme - something like Panorama but I'm not sure that it was that particular programme - investigating the pressures public services were under in certain areas. Peterborough springs to mind. If memory serves they ran out of school places among other problems.

The recruitment agency model has grown massively in the past few years - ten years ago I was at a large supermarket customer in their staff canteen with some of their warehouse supervisors and one young lad was reading a Polish tutor book, when asked what it was he stated that it was the next big thing and having a working knowledge of Polish would benefit his management career - very astute lad.

12 months later I was at one of their largest distribution sites in the south of England on the day it opened and they had an intake of 500 new staff to induct, we were importing all of the personnel records and not to put too fine a point on it all 500 intake that day were from agencies and all were Polish, that was the first time I had appreciated just what an effect on employment the freedom of movement across borders was going to create, on that site the wage rates were above NMW but they had not been able to recruit in the locality in the numbers that they required, the job was then handed over to the agency.

Its very unusual now for me to go into an agency office and find a majority of UK workers on their books and the admin staff in many agencies are Polish/Lithuanian/etc etc, in my admin support role I probably speak to more non-UK than UK citizens each day now.

Apart from tomorrow when I have to go to Grimsby again, may the Lord protect me

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Call The Home Office. Oh hang on, its not illegal.

And if it bothers you that much, get a job picking fruit (most likely what they'll be doing if your Mail style post is even true) and force them out.

I don't think the fear is of migration, but about the sort of people migrating. For example you would not necessarily want thousands of highly skilled pickpockets beggars or benefit fraudsters, many of whom would double as health tourists, flooding in. If the same individuals were all highly skilled labour, self-sufficient and not undercutting local labour nor draining social resources then the same individuals would (presumably) be welcomed. Wherever they were from.

I think many assume, whipped up by a frenzy of tabloid scare stories, that we are in for much of the former. Sadly experience has shown that their worries are based in a lot of reality, but at least we will continue to support the growing Romanian mansion construction industry if nothing else.

I wonder how many folk will believe & be influenced by the rags that spite all the negative vile?

I can show you xrays of my hips, knee and foot fusion, all prosthetics and screws implanted by migrant workers. My injection and medical advice, all given to me by a migrant worker, my fillings in my teeth, courtesy of a migrant worker, my opticians appointment, made for me by a migrant worker. My salad I had for tea tonight, all picked (in all probability) by a migrant worker. My elderly relative in the care home, cared for by a migrant worker. Need any more evidence??

Put your xenophobia back in the closet and get over it.

Don't worry it's all this geezer does Wire Yed. That's his way of debating.