Of course it's profit, that was never in question.

You think without that money these vaccines would not have been developed - really?

you really have a very limited view on life, and grasp on reality. What has Boris lied about? (I'll give you a few letters to start, not....)

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From the Menu - I particularly like the Mission Statement & Errors & Corrections section

Much of what Leavers think they know about the EU, condom regulations, straight bananas and all, come from when Johnson was the Brussels correspondent of the Telegraph when he manufactured story after story after story - the foundational myths upon which this entire escapade was based.

Anyone with a tiny bit of knowledge knows that lying is his stock-in-trade. Sometimes he does it for laughs, sometimes he does it for power, but everyone who isn't stuck in some sort of cult of personality knows that he does it all the time.

You have to love this one:

“There will be no checks on goods going from GB to NI and NI to GB because we are going to come out of the EU whole and entire. That was the objective we secured”

Err, not quite how it's worked out, Boris

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Is this a piece of your brain?

Quality

I doubt you'll answer, but out of interest what sector of key workers do you work in?

You've said before that you have first hand experience.

Probably a locksmith.

I worked directly with provisioning of meals to vulnerable/isolated people in the community where I live..
I'd seen how people discharged from hospitals and left on their own due to the reaction to covid with no family members and isolated end up more undernourished, this leads in part to more ill health and death. Particularly when the vulnerable/elderly are discharged far too early back into the community often with severely reduced care which we've seen in the last 11 months.

Would you like to know any other aspects of my previous background and what I've trained in as well as real world experience? None of which has any real bearing of being able to read and count/understand raw data regards experimental medical treatments.

I agree with a lot of your first paragraph, I'm not a nutritionist so I defer to you on that aspect.
People were undoubtedly discharged from hospital back into the community and care homes with COVID and this is a scandal.
I had huge arguments around Easter last year with hospitals trying to discharge people to care homes, the care homes were made to accept people back on my days off.
Services stopped. Just stopped. Nothing. Day centres in the third sector gone, no new care packages, not being able to go see the people you work for.
What I don't understand is what you feel is the end game to all of this?
What's it for?
Why is it happening.?

There are indeed massive consequences related to the whole covid situation which, increases the urgency and importance of getting the virus under better control.
Delays to other op's / treatment are shocking but, what do you propose ?
No controls and let the virus run it's natural cause, with even more cases and deaths, causing even more delays and deaths among those who need different treatments. Where does that one end up ?

Agree about the incompetence for sure.
If it was up to me I would also be have included all key workers in the early vaccinations. If you have to go into work, and if you have to use public transport then you should be jabbed.
Funny really, the most successful piece of the response to the pandemic is the one where the government ( and their mates) have had minimal involvement.

They're still taking all the credit though.
It's almost like wartime propaganda, with the number of vaccinations making the headlines every hour of the day.
The poor buggers that are still dying barely get a mention now.

I have to agree that the vaccinations seem to have gone very well and we all wait to see just how effective they are in reality.

We need to hope that they are as effective as the many promises that have been made.

What do you suggest we do with key workers who are refusing the vaccine?

I'm not really sure as I can't see how legally you can force it on existing employees. I've had mine and am booked in for the second one at the end of next month, I don't know anyone who's declined it, the one person who I thought might as they never have the flu jab was one of the first to have it.

I'd be surprised in the area I work in and the cross working with other agencies that we do if anyone would admit to declining it as the amount of people we've seen die and colleagues that have had it, some of them being hospitalised would make you somewhat of a professional pariah.

With the current talk of passports, perhaps we'll see some sort of check in the recruitment process to ensure your vaccinations are up to date, the same as you having to have up to date membership of the relevant professional bodies and a clear DBS check.

Yeah but come on, if the vaccination roll out had gone badly you sure as hell would've blamed the government. Even though they had "minimal involvement"

People can blame this Government for many things however, the roll-out of the vaccine isn't one of them.

The vaccine rollout seems to have been very successful so far. Full credit to everyone involved, from the frontline to the government on this hugely important progress.

The uptake in staff in care homes 66% has been poor also in the NHS only 80% - the greater majority in the BAME community. Surely there is a case for compulsory vaccination in these areas - the whole ethos has been to protect the vulnerable and protect the NHS?

I'm not sure that you've understood how the vaccine works - it can only protect the person that has been vaccinated.
Therefore, it can only be an individual choice and not compulsory.

Of course, it may well be that, at some point in the future, you need a vaccine certificate to carry out certain tasks or for travel etc. However, at the moment, we are told that this is not being considered.

In one sense, it will be interesting to compare how having had a vaccine compares with those that have not..