The first major project in this entire period that they've not allowed a private company to manage, instead relying on the core nhs, and it's the first one to not have been a complete disaster. Who'd have thought.

Thank goodness for the private company that tested, manufactured and delivered the product - just think how long it would have taken for a public body to deliver one - horses for courses

All that will happen if you increase wages significantly unemployment will increase in proportion and inflation will go through the roof - companies need to deliver profits that is their rationale - why else take the risk they are not a charity. Minimum wage went up by 6% the last time for a lot of SME's that has simply eroded their profit because they cannot pass on the increases and it has a knock on effect across the rest of the workforce.

On the NHS - most of the abuse is down to the appalling standard of the administrative people especially procurement. Private firms like Nuffield provide a useful service in taking pressure off the NHS and reliving the rich of their savings

Conservative in every general election up to 2010, lib dem in '15 and '17.

The Tories were always a balance between authoritarian and moderates with the adults usually just about in charge.

Unfortunately they have become so extreme and infiltrated by the far right now with moderates literally purged that I don't think there will ever be a place back in the party for me in my lifetime.

Just think of those private companies had now been given 100s of £millions by governments using our taxes we may never have got the vaccines.

Game, set & match



- worth remembering that those companies, although very good at producing vaccines, are driven by profits and they are certainly not producing vaccines for "fun", it's all about the money.

Group 8 - surely we will not be vaccinated for some time - surely the second vaccination for 15m will takes sometime?

What would you expect the main driver for a company to be other than profit ?
Frankly i would be worried if my companies main driver wasn't profit, it certainly wouldn't be employing over 50 people and paying taxes into the HMRC coffers.

Had my first Pfizer vaccine today.

Feeling fine .

Finding my I phone buzzes when I use it and every time I walked by a 5G mask I feel a warm buzz..

My glasses seem to flash up messages for Amazon

I hear voices from my Alexa even when it is turned off

When I hold lightbulbs they light up


I have had several messages from MI5 saying they know where I am

Other than that everything is fine

Of course it's profit, that was never in question.

You think without that money these vaccines would not have been developed - really?

you really have a very limited view on life, and grasp on reality. What has Boris lied about? (I'll give you a few letters to start, not....)

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From the Menu - I particularly like the Mission Statement & Errors & Corrections section

Much of what Leavers think they know about the EU, condom regulations, straight bananas and all, come from when Johnson was the Brussels correspondent of the Telegraph when he manufactured story after story after story - the foundational myths upon which this entire escapade was based.

Anyone with a tiny bit of knowledge knows that lying is his stock-in-trade. Sometimes he does it for laughs, sometimes he does it for power, but everyone who isn't stuck in some sort of cult of personality knows that he does it all the time.

You have to love this one:

“There will be no checks on goods going from GB to NI and NI to GB because we are going to come out of the EU whole and entire. That was the objective we secured”

Err, not quite how it's worked out, Boris

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Is this a piece of your brain?

Quality

I doubt you'll answer, but out of interest what sector of key workers do you work in?

You've said before that you have first hand experience.

Probably a locksmith.

I worked directly with provisioning of meals to vulnerable/isolated people in the community where I live..
I'd seen how people discharged from hospitals and left on their own due to the reaction to covid with no family members and isolated end up more undernourished, this leads in part to more ill health and death. Particularly when the vulnerable/elderly are discharged far too early back into the community often with severely reduced care which we've seen in the last 11 months.

Would you like to know any other aspects of my previous background and what I've trained in as well as real world experience? None of which has any real bearing of being able to read and count/understand raw data regards experimental medical treatments.

I agree with a lot of your first paragraph, I'm not a nutritionist so I defer to you on that aspect.
People were undoubtedly discharged from hospital back into the community and care homes with COVID and this is a scandal.
I had huge arguments around Easter last year with hospitals trying to discharge people to care homes, the care homes were made to accept people back on my days off.
Services stopped. Just stopped. Nothing. Day centres in the third sector gone, no new care packages, not being able to go see the people you work for.
What I don't understand is what you feel is the end game to all of this?
What's it for?
Why is it happening.?

There are indeed massive consequences related to the whole covid situation which, increases the urgency and importance of getting the virus under better control.
Delays to other op's / treatment are shocking but, what do you propose ?
No controls and let the virus run it's natural cause, with even more cases and deaths, causing even more delays and deaths among those who need different treatments. Where does that one end up ?