One of the biggest issues for many people joining a gym is education. I've seen many overweight people come into the gym, walk on the treadmill for 10 minutes, move some weight machines around (with minimum resistance), and then leave. They look nervous and lost. They barely break sweat and the heart rate certainly doesn't increase by any degree.

I've buckets of respect for someone entering a gym for the first time - it can be an intimidating place, but being there is pointless unless the person is educated on how to reach their goals. Weight loss? Aerobic fitness? Muscle building? If they're not getting anywhere after a few weeks they lose heart and stop going at all.

The site i posted was a reply for SJ to look at, it was to give them an idea of body type and shape. And reasons why some can eat what they want and not put an ounce on, where as others need to work harder just to stay even. As they raised that particular point to me. Your points, cant say ive read any of any interest to me. A balanced diet with good physical exercise is good enough for the majority of people, anyone looking for something different and lifestyle changing do the Mark Sissons primal (diet) life style.

Translation: you haven't got an answer.

If that makes you feel superior then jog on. Youll have to write them again as i really have no interest in what you have to say on this subject as you obviously try to over complicate a very basic principal, maybe you do this to try and look in the know on the subject, maybe you like to impress your peers on here, I dont know, but not me and not on this subject, It appears to me youve never done any real research on fitness diet and nutrition....

Your "phiz" should be looking seriously red with embarrassment given the way you're going on - especially for a newbie.

BTW: that was a clue to the proper meaning of a word that you don't actually understand.

Ooooooooh at what point does a newbie come an oldie LOL how pathetic of you to even mention that like it matters some


And you carry on thinking i know nothing of physical exercise, phiz whatever way you want it. But i assure you and yes i am going to blow my own trumpet here i know i not only know more than you but i also carry out more than you... OLDIE!

I have never said any such thing. And you do not know what I think.

I do know, however, that you're a new, but tedious little troll. And that you have limited literacy skills. And that you have a chip on your shoulder. And that you are incapable of understanding how to contribute to a grown-up discussion ('Your points didn't interest me' does not count as a proper debating technique).

Now potter off back to your toys and leave the adults to continue what was an intelligent and respectful discussion until you materialised.

Hmmmm seems like ive really hit a nerve, from a pompus know it all, limited litteracy skills!!! Where is the rule thats states you have to have a specific level of knowledge. And in just that one statement shows you self imposed superiority complex. You wouldnt know respectful if it came up and smacked you in the gob. And for someone so adult as yourself, throwing a tantrum and name calling is quite funny.

OK - back on topic. WHY are so many British women so fat?

Tedious troll he may be but I have a strange feeling that he's been this way before, albeit in another guise

Because the majority have a poor diet and dont exrecise either enough or at all....

......here we go again...

And what has happened to create this set of circumstances, when we had no obesity epidemic previously?

I wouldn't know how to exrercise.

Personally I think that British women are so fat because they have to put up with British men, so they turn to cupboard love.
And British men are less fat because they have to put up with British women.
The difference arises because women are on the whole (no not hole

) nicer than men. So men have less to put up with (it could be their small dicks

) .
Seeemples!

Processed foods, easier to access ready meals/takeaways, loss of cooking/baking skills, poverty to a point, but most of all poor lifestyle choices. Lack of self respect and discipline, the good foods are there just as much as the bad ones. Lazyness of modern living give them the easy option. And a good balanced diet with equally good phiz is the best way to conteract it.

14 pages of stating the obvious and the witterings of apologists.

Unless you have a genuine medical condition, obese people are greedy and/or lazy. Stupidity is not a medical condition and not realising you get fat from eating too much and sitting on your ar$e in from of celebrity and reality trash tv is no excuse. Many other forms of behaviour are targeted for their impact on society, so why not the obese? (please note the distinction between overweight and obese)

I accept that there are mitigating factors with the demise of industry and a move to service jobs, physical excercise is less a part of daily routine. Marketing and covenience are also factors but just methods of exploiting the laziness of people.

It has been said numerous times already and its common sense for pity's sake, eat reasonably healthily and excercise in moderation.

Who knows maybe you wont be one of the increasing number of diabetes sufferers and maybe you wont die of a heart attack while your children are still young and maybe you wont be refused medical treatment in the future because anesthetising large animals too great a risk and maybe.....

Excess food.
Poor, proceesed food.
Take-aways.
Laziness.
Not doing enough house-work.
Cars.

Very Good

I agree but a lack of early education is a tragedy.

When I was at school we had a couple of "domestic science" classrooms, I doubt there's many schools with them now.

I mentioned some months ago about seeing frozen fish & chips in a supermarket priced at £1.50 or three meals for £4.00 (they also had roast chicken, beef and lamb dinners too). When you consider the number of people to be getting a margin out of that £1.50 (original producer, processor & supermarket), there ain't gonna be a whole heap of nutitional quality in the ingredients. Looking at the contents list only confirms this.

Jamie Oliver helped kick-start healthier meals appearing back on school dinner menus and schools now have a standard they are expected to reach. Unfortunately academies and "free" schools are exempt. The least we can do is educate (in the benefits of various foods) and feed our children to a decent standard

I believe good old 'Domestic Science' became 'Home Economics' or something similar - why was it the girls had cooking lessons and made sponge cakes & other delicacies to take home when us lads had to do woodwork and end with some manky looking coffee table which did it's best to stop itself jumping into the open fireplace ?

I was particularly proud of my cigarette box, it' still knocking around somewhere. Something that I doubt would get made today

I think Coddy's made a really important point, about education.

Ignoring the chicken-and-egg matter of what has killed off cooking skills for so many, it seems fairly logical to suggest that, for people to eat properly, they need some skills that many simply do not. So how do you re-introduce such skills?

It seems to me that there are two parts to this: the need to educate children and the need to educate older people/parents. The former is, in theory at least, easier than the latter. But it's not going to be helped if schools are allowed to ignore national minimum standards for school dinners etc. Accademies can already opt out; free schools will be able to too.

Because either the issue is genuinely important - and therefore a matter for the state - or it's a fuss about nothing.

my table barely made the trip home.....I think it gave way under the weight of it's first cuppa.....



Chippendale I am not !

Meant to add: was chatting to someone a couple of months about this issue of eating. He and his wife (both work in jobs that are not hugely paid) realised that they had lapsed into a habit at home of eating (with their two daughters) junk and convenience food most of the time. Now neither had no cooking skills, so they were not starting from scratch on that basis. They decided to change things and make an effort to cook properly every night. They found that the biggest problem was the girls, who took quite some time to adjust to natural tasting food and didn't like it for quite a while.